Intergalactic Summit

Just telling the truth Andreus, while removing the spin of the Liberals.



I dont see any sign of that. Been one year i dont see anything of that Claudia.



I really have my doubts that it can Claudia. In the end, those who want rid of Federation, will have to wait for a patriot to come along again and take it by force once more.

Well, with people like you and Kim screaming for blood and bullets and the difficulty of dealing with a modular government like the state, one can't expect fast results and still be considered to be dwelling in the in the realm of reality.

We can, but the practical fact of the matter is that the alternative is 100% occupation. Operation Highlander proved that much.

A lesson that I took away from both that and Colelie is a little adage: "Never brawl with a Moros at optimal". In other words, whatever you do, when you're fighting Gallentean ships, do not let them control the engagement range. While that may be broadly true for all ships, when it comes to blaster-and-drone Gallentean vessels, it's absolutely critical. If you give them the home advantage, if you let them fight you on their terms, you will be ripped to tiny pieces.

Luminaire is a Federation system. THE Federation system, in many ways. Any fight there will inevitably happen on FedNav's terms, at the range they choose, under the conditions they choose. Any other navy, you might still be able to turn that disadvantage around. Not the Gallenteans.

And any defence of Home is inevitably going to involve being on the defensive. That means they get to jump Moroses in where they want them, get to warp Megathrons in where they'll do the most harm.

We took the planet by force. We're never going to HOLD it by force. that 46% is the reminder that if we want Home to be 100% Caldari ever again, we're going to need to engage the Federation in an arena where it doesn't hold all the cards, as it does in a fleet fight on home turf.

And for now, it may not be ideal, but it's tolerable. It's progress over where we used to be, and toward where we want to be. Occupation it may be, but it's an occupation that must be accepted and endured for the time being. Because the alternative, to be blunt, is to lose Home again.

Correction: 46% is under Federation occupation.

I respect both of you for your opinions on a variety of matters.

I also appreciate your measured contributions to the discussion on the disposition of Caldari Prime and a larger peace between th State and Federation.

I must however admit that I find the tenor of your latest comments disturbing.

Is it then your position that any negotiation regarding Caldari Prime must end with it resting solely in State sovereignty?

Must thus remain a zero sum game?

I would remind you that corporations play an entirely different role in the Federation than the State.

Regardless of what corporate organization may operate within the portion of Caldari Prime retained by treaty to the Federation, it will be subject to Federal law.

Many in the Federation including myself desire an honorable peace with the State.

But it will not be a peace on your terms alone.

Our words matter and State duplicity will not be tolerated… again.

We were bombed off our home planet. millions died, some cut down as they fled, others vaporised by orbit-to-ground citybreaker strikes. Many more died to starvation and disease and logistical failures as they tried to scratch a living in the wilderness.

The government that did this was subsequently arrested, tried and found guilty of crimes against humanity. But there still followed two centuries of occupation.

Picture if you will a similar scenario, where a gang of thugs were to run you out of your house, murdering your sibling in the process, and then proceeded to squat there, turning your house over to their own ends. Even when arrested, tried for their crimes and imprisoned, the court inexplicably grants them that the house - your stolen property - now belongs to them and gives them the right to leave it to their children.

And so it goes. Finally, you take matters into your own hands and break in the door with a shotgun laying claim to the house. you deploy security drones and sit there, angrily defending the home you already lost once. Eventually the thugs come back. They destroy the drone, which crashes into your grandfather's carefully-tended garden and burns it. You just about manage to hold out in the upstairs rooms before the police arrive and force a ceasefire.

A compromise is now arranged where you get to keep the upstairs rooms and use the front door, and the thugs who originally evicted you and killed your sibling get to live in the downstairs rooms, with no weaponry allowed in the house save that owned by the team of private security brought in to keep things quiet. (this house is getting quiet).

Now can you honestly tell me that anything about that scenario sounds remotely fair and just? And in that situation, would you be satisfied with 54%? Or would you plan to secure the rest of the house (which, let's remember, is rightfully yours) over time and maybe finally get on with cleaning up the mess, restoring the garden and building a small memorial to your dead family?

We prefer to call it Caldari Prime or Home. You can dress it up like an unimportant planetoid, if you like, but it just makes you look ignorant.

Regardless. His point is clear, Mr. Tuulinen, The Federation citizens living on the planet must be guaranteed their rights, for they have just as much claim to "Home" as do Caldari.

I would say far more so than the billions of Caldari who do not, have never, and will never live there.

"Win by guile first, and by force last." - General Toriv Hakaat.

Hakaat is the distant and famous ancestor shared by every one of the billions of Caldari with the surname "Hakatain", renowned as a master strategician and general in service of the Taayin dynasty of the Raata emperors. He also had a reputation for terseness and said, ahead of the battle of the Wiyrk Fields:

"If they fight us, we lose men. If they will not fight us, then we do not lose men. If they fight FOR us, our army will grow."

The State War Academy's module on strategy puts it in a characteristically simple way: "Acquire if possible, neutralize if not, engage only if necessary."

I hope seasoned pilots don't need me to spell out the reasoning behind that axiom. These are principles that apply equally to the battlefield of negotiation and dialogue, and megacorporate executives understand them well. Force was resorted to when necessary - now it's time to return to seeing how far guile and cunning consolidation will take us.

To be honest I don't think fair or just is what your concerned with.

But it is a very nice story, one we are all familiar with and it happened a very very long time ago.

What I am interested in is now.

So are you saying that only the rights of Caldari should be recognized on Caldari Prime?

What exactly do you plan to do with all those inconvenient Gallente?