Intergalactic Summit

Ishukone meets with the Gallentean Senate in secret, the secret is Ishukone, standing at their memorial with their self-righteous and a piece of starship plate. The whole State to scramble as the wave breaks short of the wall. It is more than theatrics, it is a message. Not just a memorial, no. You can reveal a memorial a million different and far more commonly used ways. If you think that Ishukone did not engineer it, that it was not intentional? ...If you do not see the power plays in these events then I have no sympathy for you when it all goes down and you are left wondering.

And of course, the dead rest on Caldari Prime.

Political bullshit like who gets invited to the memorial ceremony rather than focusing on what the real purpose it is the same kind of crap that's the reason we need a memorial in the first place.

The sequence of events as follows...
Ishukone does Something.
Ishukone must be doing Something Wrong.
Ishukone must be doing Something that could harm the State.
Rar, Ishukone.

And there's questions as to why it's all opaque? I'm sure it would all be wine and roses if somebody else was doing the same, say Kaalakiota? Lai Dai?

You want transparency... Okay, we want some damn breathing room so we can afford to give it to you without getting bit.

I've already explained the reason for the "tight" (pfft) security. The reality is, nobody even waited a day before "disappointment" went to "distrust" went to "treason". You want to talk about grandstanding? That delay turned into every idiot hollering for blood like we'd been the ones who rammed that Nyx into our own station.

If there's any statement being made here, it translates to "Shut up. Hunker down. Get behind us, and we'll lead you home. We've already started."

Taking away everything else, the most basic reason for Ishukone to handle the negotiations comes down to; We're the only one of the Okusaikan who hasn't spent five years making bitter enemies of the Federation. After losing our foothold, it came down to whether they'd talk or not. I didn't hear about anyone else stepping up. I would honestly love to be mistaken.

And, yet again, our own efforts don't preclude anyone else from doing the same. If they won't, that's the end of the story. If the Feds won't talk to them, see above. Maybe you should've thought about that when you all drug the war out for five years.

And finally, lets say we stepped back, said "Okay, handle it." and just let fate sort itself. Is anyone really of the belief that the Feds would even give the corps that are still hostile to them the time of day? Much less room to talk when we've got no presence to force the claim left in Luminarie?

Now that I've all but reiterated myself... Pieter, the article said 'including'. Wasn't an exhaustive list. And personally, I'm In agreement that a CalNav representative should be a part of that entourage. Maybe they were and weren't mentioned? Maybe they declined? All guesswork and supposition right now, but I'd like to know for sure too.

And don't think we don't know your contributions. You're among the finest soldiers I've ever known, land or space. Kat was just trying to avoid the inevitable dogpile your a****** associates were waiting in the wings to launch. It happens every time, whether she answers well or poorly. If more people in Pyre had the combination of skill, dedication, and willingness to reach outside of the corporate shell for understanding that you posess, things like this would happen a lot less.

the secrecy was to avoid extremists from ruining the revealing of the memorial, reason there was a large group of diplomats is because, as these topics have shown, it's a touchy subject and delicacy is needed. Equally the memorial itself can be seen as a controversy if not handled correctly, i have heard some liken this to a trophy mount, like one would mount the head of its prey in a trophy room some claim that making the memorial out of the late ship is the same.
Wounds still run deep from that day, and this is an attempt to heal that , hopefully nothing more.

While I agree with most of what you have said Tiberious - and in fact was saying much the same thing in the original thread reporting on the convoy of diplomats - I must point out a small detail in regards to this particular comment.

It was reported on by NOH news sources less than a week ago. The project may have started well in advance of that, unknown to us. The time requirement may well have been satisfied.

As you have correctly noted, we do not have all the data and as such should not be too willing to rule out any possibility at present.

Of course there is more to it.

Personality I hope and suspect its allot more.

In the end f you can’t make peace with the whole…

If the situation with the homeworld was finally sorted i wouldnt mind a memorial for that day a year ago. Loss of life was tremendous. The destruction of titan, meant an end to the liberation of the homeworld and return of the occupiers of 4 years ago. So to some of us ,the memorial at the moment reminds us of a defeat and return of the old enemy.

Until there is an end to Federation rule on the homeworld ill oppose the Federation.

The memorial between the Roden goverment and Ishukone shows that they can work together and co-operate, maybe trust each other little. Im sure Roden goverment feel that its much easier dealing with Ishukone, rather than the other megacorporations.

I dont see any deal with regards their occupation and control of our homeworld happening in the near future. For the Roden goverment to agree a deal to hand back their 50% of the sovereignty of homeworld, would be i think political suicide for their party at the next elections.

Also i think Roden & Ishukone are both quite happy with the current treaty. I never see the Federation in the future agreeing to ever hand back their half. Only that they may take our half away at somepoint in the future, if the need arises. For political or national security reasons.

There's a good way to tell when a man is oversimplifying a complex issue. That telltale is when he says that X is "entirely the fault of" or "entirely due to" when it's a complex play of factors.

Ishukone pursuing a level of independent activity is at least somewhat reassuring. The more decentralized the State becomes, the more it is recovering from Heth. That being said, it seems likely that this is being significantly overreacted to. There is yet little reason to assume anything remarkable is taking place beyond what is required to administrate the Caldari sections of the planet and unveiling the monument.

You want an apology Lyckeus?

Okay. I'm sorry you continue to try to steal our Homeworld from us, I'm sorry that you were stupid enough to fire on a ship that big in low orbit and I'm sorry we waited as long as we did before we sent those dreadnoughts straight to hell.

Who ordered the Titan to fire on the planet? Heth did. Who refused to fire? Admiral Yanala did - so at worst this one is a wash.

Who was willing to slaughter everyone on the surface regardless of faction? Well, actually, given that the Caldari Navy refused the order to fire on Home, the only people who put civilians at risk that day was the Federal Navy. And by 'put them at risk' I mean demolished their homes, set fire to them and irradiated them. This one comes out against the Federation.

As far as desecrating monuments to the dead, well, we already know that there's nothing the Federation holds sacred, so it's not a huge surprise. Just don't be surprised when we catch the people doing it, interrogate them, and some of them turn out to be in Blaque's pay. We won't - we've had first hand experience of Black Eagle tactics.

The rest of the perpetrators can look forward to a nice jail term where they'll finally contribute in a meaningful way to society through the work programs. Perhaps even scrubbing and repairing desecrated shrines and monuments - wouldn't that be nice?