EVE General Discussion

Here's another fun one.

1. Player A remote sebos/RRs player B, who's at war with player C. Since player A assisted player B, player A has inherited aggression towards all of player B's war targets and corps/players he has aggression towards.
2. Player B shoots player C, thereby receiving aggression towards player C, which is counted as new aggression.
3. Player A's remote sebo/RR/assistance modules automatically deactivate and player A receives a warning about player B's shenanigans, even though player A already has aggression towards player C, via war dec aggression inherited in step 1.

Feature working as intended...

You're incorrect - this just happened to me. Go try it yourself before hastily replying.

What happens is that a new individual aggression flag is created when player B shoots player C. This new flag trips the new warning, and shuts the modules off.

This second flag is also seen in other instances, such as when player 1 steals a can belonging to player 2 in corp Z. When the can is stolen, player 1 gets the flag towards corp Z, but if player 1 and 2 exchange fire, player 1 will gain an individual flag towards player 2. Player 1 can then wait out the corp aggression and shoot at player 2, without the rest of corp Z interfering.


Also, the new 'shutting your modules off due to incoming aggression' pop-up only shows up once you're already assisting someone and they gain new aggression, not when you first activate your modules. In this instance (with default settings) you would get an initial warning that the person you're about to rep is at war, and that you'll gain all of their aggression. It then asks if you would still like to assist them. Once you're assisting them (and they shoot player C), you will get the new warning and your mods turn off.

firstly all the idiots shouting htfu, deal with it, etc etc - its boring - go get some anger management. seriously...

Now lets get my view on this straight - i know it might be hard for you to understand kiddies...

I fully support the neut assistance nerf, FULLY SUPPORT infact I think i wrote a post about stating it shouldnt be allowed a while ago. I personally think allowing neut repping/rsb is wrong, and personally i think CCP should just remove it full stop, and not even allow it. Being able to just reactivate it doesnt really matter in gangs as much as trying to dual box and do it solo (then it is a pain). I would rather see it removed altogether!! got it!??

However the mechanic exists and people will use it. What do you think people are going to do? let everyone else use it but you dont and have an unfair advantage? really?...is that what you honestly think

Its like bubbles in 0.0, i think they are a lazy way to pvp, and dont get me started on drag bubbles, however even though you dont like it, you still have to emply those tactics in order to be in a level playing field...

So there you go, so lets get onto my real issue.

So lets say my mates alliance has 10 war decs. Fine. You alt rsb him, and he agresses, then someone just explain the logic to me, why would you then be aggressed TO ALL the other alliances you didnt agress..its a bit silly. they are completely separate entities.

However i can understand that perhaps if you are aiding him to some extent against another WT, you are likely to aid him against another WT he is also at war with, so basically seen as a adversary. if thats the case then thats the case. The post was basically to clear it up..However I do believe and this is my opinion, and we are entitled to it, that if i have helped against a target, i should only get agression for that war, which is fine. However thats not the case, so that is fine also. There is actually no problem either way.. just toget that straight for all the crazy posters out there.

Can we get a Dev to comment on whether this can/will be done? It would be greatly appreciated, and would align these warnings with all of the others received.

Just as a quick side note - you will always gain full aggression towards all WTs when you repair someone, and this has been the case for quite a long time. For example:

1. Player A in corp 1 is at war with corp 2, and alliance Z.
2. Player B assists player A in any way (RSeBo, RR, etc).
3. Player B gains aggression towards ALL of players in corp 2 and alliance Z. In fact, player B gains aggression towards all players, corps, or alliances that can legally shoot player A (with the possible exception of kill rights - this I have not confirmed). This means anyone they have stolen from, or any and all corps/alliances they are at war with.

The rationale behind this is that you are helping someone's enemy, and therefore they should be able to stop you from continuing to do so. IMO, this makes perfect sense and should stay (as I said earlier, this has been the case for as long as I have been around, which has been about 2 years).

I'm perfectly happy with gaining aggression and having these people be able to shoot me when I assist someone - as they should be able to do so. Adding in the option to opt out of the warning still provides the safety net and the ability to be warned before committing an action that can get you killed, while allowing those people who choose to continue with those actions do so without impeding their ability to actually assist other players (concord warning is a perfect parallel to how this warning should be set up).

I'm not 100% sure, due to the OP being poorly written, but what I think he was complaining about was getting aggression towards all of player B's WTs when player B only has aggression timers towards one of their WTs. This has always been the case and has nothing to do with the new warning - nothing to write home about.

Still no comments from devs regarding an opt out for the new warning?

It's my name, isn't it!?

Well you let yourself in. You assisted in an engagement against an corp/alliance member, you want to prevent it? Simple do not "help" or let yourself be engaged at such. Or deal with consequences.

ah sorry miss-read.

In that case its probably not such cool ..