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Why do something yourself, when you can pay someone else to do it for you?

Oh wait, 99% of you are poor...

CCP have gone from a decent development team with a decent game to an incompetent development team with a broken game they obviously have no real intention of trying to fix.

They seem content to do nothing, fix nothing, deploy aweful new 'structures' and just suck up money from the playerbase. There is no one listening to what the players want.

it is not bad by itself
However in Eve Online people are supposed to do it other way: by taking it from owners. You just go and take what you want. Or you don't.

Renting makes 0.0 carebears who are not much different from high-sec ones. I know: i have been there as renter.

Last I looked RVB owned about 250 pocos, and mynnna said goons owned 26 pocos. Remind me how many highsec planets there are.

If you wanted to specialize an organization on the ownership of pocos, there is plenty of room to do so, and if instead of the terrible retail army overspend that gevlon managed, you had 500 bears that wanted those pocos (even though those pocos are valuable but really only symbolic), you could take them. Even if in reality its a complete furphy because if you were actually recruiting 500 bears you could do so by sitting at the CFC pocos and propositioning the users.

I can do PI in my system, because my system is as a happy happenstance of history, next door to the JF terminal that was established after I moved in. If it was 8 jumps to the JF terminal, I'd probably not do it, unless the alliance had a jump bridge that covered the route. Hint hint, PI is convenience game once you get past the easy to move the heads remotely thing.

So if you actually cared about the average "highsec" indy player, and you wanted to stand against the CFC, you could form an organization that made highsec PI more efficient than merely using a goon poco because it happened to be near jita. If you were offering internal corp logistics, you were replicating p2s or p3s or other convenience products from Jita to the systems where you had factory planets, and you contract hauled to jita for customers or even gave out alliance orders to fill that you were skimming for alliance profits, (which people would take if it was easier than hauling to jita themselves), then you could easily sort through dotlan to find candidate systems that can 1-stop shop, and then you can go investigate them for setting up your alliance there.

Believe it or not there are people that love to spacetruck. There are people that love to group up with other indies and scheme to work the market in their favour. there are other people that will run with reasonable alliance contracts even if they know the alliance is skimming a margin on them. (in fact they'll do it forever if the alliance has open books and they know its not just lining director pockets).

CAS proves that by having people that organize PVP in an organization can even get a damn newbie INDY starter corp to take over a system in Syndicate and roam the hell out of the area, ie if the cultures says we fight, then even indy starters do it.

So basically, no I don't agree the CFC has won the war for pocos. The candidate organization that will eventually contest them properly for it may even already exist.

Honestly very tired of the "can't do".

Realistic? As in run by you?

I find the pseudo-fascist empires that rule null with their renter serfs oddly reflective of the real world.



How does this make it different than any other part of eve, to any significant degree? Null requires the forming of larger "tribes" and more sophisticated organisations which I would think is a further step away from cavemen than most of the galaxy.

Having two massive blocs fighting each other instead of 2000 independent tribes is a step forward in evolution, not backwards.



Besides the spaceships?

I seriously wouldn't bother replying to anything Infinity Ziona says, she is just butt hurt because CCP haven't released a frig with a 10/10/10 slot layout, has the EHP of a Titan, can do a billion DPS, has a gizzilon % bonus to every weapon / EWAR / scanning / hacking mod, a billion m3 cargo hold, can fire whilst cloaked, can jump 1000 ly using only 1 isotope and has a sig radius of 1 so she can solo everything in Eve.

It's spoken a lot that 0.0 is exclusively 200+ man blobs in 1k+ man battles. Which is actually a funny thing, because I've mostly seen those in big battles of big coalition wars - and the day-to-day consists of smaller fleets (30-50 people peak) or gangs (~10 tops). There's also a fair amount of solo - frigates, especially inties are common nowadays. People roam solo in interdictors looking for easy prey. Light ships have a fair chance of success engaging on a gate due to the lack of gate guns (and if a big blob does show up a frigate can usually still leg it).

That's not to say blob fights don't happen - they do, and they attract themittani/en24 coverage. But unless it's a coalition-on-coalition war over something big, they don't happen on a daily basis. (That and a lot of the time "we got blobbed" means "we got our asses kicked by a force that was equal or had one more guy, but it's so embarassing we'll call them a blob. Also they were all from one alliance and had one Goonswarm tag-along, so it was the CFC that came in to help them.")

A sov revamp is on the board according to CSM minutes IIRC - in a game where a small change (removal of rats from exploration sites in Odyssey) can have much bigger consequences (an increase of young players in null trying their luck in ninja'ing sites. T2 salvage price crash. Vastly more affordable T2 rigging, now considered standard on many ships.) it's likely to shake things up.

What about your mythical ISBox'ed stealth bomber fleet?

Or wait, is this another one of those "marauders are not battleships" things?

CFC doesn't do local security. It would be horribly unfun if goons were securing us to the extent that we got no 1v1s or small gang fights, and would also lead to a lot of friction between renters and bored security.

However when invaded (different from local security) CFC strategy as recommended to us by the landlord was not to entertain EMP and TEST and not to encourage them by feeding them kills. I have 250m of fighter bombers I cleaned up (hours later) from the CFC chasing EMP and TEST off an ihub, and they did recover the system that TEST took, and that combo was ultimately unable to take any PBLRD sov at all.

We were not even requested to defend ihubs, probably on the basis that renter recruiting practices are generally insecure.

ie if someone does take Vale, they'd obviously kill all my stuff that I didn't evac, but I'm aware of that risk, and I'd expect that the CFC will come for the ihub timers (bearing in mind they defend economically too, so they may make strategic decisions about individual timers instead of suiciding undersized groupings).

afaik BoB was in the business of renting to Vassal alliances, and none of the individual entities in PBLRD are really that kind of a size, so the relationship has to be rather different.

A topic like this belongs in Corporation, Alliance & Organization Discussions. But as the OP is in an NPC corporation and as such is not allowed to post there, this thread can not be moved. So it gets locked instead.

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