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Eve just a rental universe! Getting out of hand?

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#101 - 2014-03-23 00:42:38 UTC
Bael Malefic wrote:
The obvious answer:

Do unto the Goons as they did unto BoB.

'Tis a matter of time before one or more Awoxers bust it up from within. Or until one faction or another becomes disenchanted with the lemmingness of it all and lashes out.

Folks moan about somebody else winning. I say, get over it. You want to change things? Observe what they are doing. Analyze it. Find the weaknesses (there always are some). Exploit them.


Assuming it's remotely possible, I'm pretty sure people unhappy with a system that forces two sides at best aren't interested in going through the effort of replacing Goons just to have exactly the same system in place with someone else in charge.

If you recalled the Goons started out detesting BoB, and what they stood for. Funny how quickly things change.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2014-03-23 02:44:50 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Bael Malefic wrote:
The obvious answer:

Do unto the Goons as they did unto BoB.

'Tis a matter of time before one or more Awoxers bust it up from within. Or until one faction or another becomes disenchanted with the lemmingness of it all and lashes out.

Folks moan about somebody else winning. I say, get over it. You want to change things? Observe what they are doing. Analyze it. Find the weaknesses (there always are some). Exploit them.


Assuming it's remotely possible, I'm pretty sure people unhappy with a system that forces two sides at best aren't interested in going through the effort of replacing Goons just to have exactly the same system in place with someone else in charge.

If you recalled the Goons started out detesting BoB, and what they stood for. Funny how quickly things change.

And BoB wasn't propped up by auto-mails and timers. Can you imagine how much whining would have occurred if Goons had to wait 24hrs each time they wanted to attack BoB so BoB could get as many players as possible to wipe the floor with the Goons.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#103 - 2014-03-23 04:11:51 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
And BoB wasn't propped up by auto-mails and timers. Can you imagine how much whining would have occurred if Goons had to wait 24hrs each time they wanted to attack BoB so BoB could get as many players as possible to wipe the floor with the Goons.
So there were no Stront timers during the 1st and 2nd Great Wars? Interesting. Please tell us more....

While you are at it, perhaps you could explain how auto-mails and timers would have helped with Haargoth, the PR hellcamp, and losing all their cynojammers. I despise Goonies as much as any sane rational person, but come on man...
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2014-03-23 04:54:16 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Bael Malefic wrote:
The obvious answer:

Do unto the Goons as they did unto BoB.

'Tis a matter of time before one or more Awoxers bust it up from within. Or until one faction or another becomes disenchanted with the lemmingness of it all and lashes out.

Folks moan about somebody else winning. I say, get over it. You want to change things? Observe what they are doing. Analyze it. Find the weaknesses (there always are some). Exploit them.


Assuming it's remotely possible, I'm pretty sure people unhappy with a system that forces two sides at best aren't interested in going through the effort of replacing Goons just to have exactly the same system in place with someone else in charge.

If you recalled the Goons started out detesting BoB, and what they stood for. Funny how quickly things change.

And BoB wasn't propped up by auto-mails and timers. Can you imagine how much whining would have occurred if Goons had to wait 24hrs each time they wanted to attack BoB so BoB could get as many players as possible to wipe the floor with the Goons.



Your lack of knowledge about how sov mechanics work (and used to work) is breathtaking considering how often you post about them.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#105 - 2014-03-23 04:56:25 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Bael Malefic wrote:
The obvious answer:

Do unto the Goons as they did unto BoB.

'Tis a matter of time before one or more Awoxers bust it up from within. Or until one faction or another becomes disenchanted with the lemmingness of it all and lashes out.

Folks moan about somebody else winning. I say, get over it. You want to change things? Observe what they are doing. Analyze it. Find the weaknesses (there always are some). Exploit them.


Assuming it's remotely possible, I'm pretty sure people unhappy with a system that forces two sides at best aren't interested in going through the effort of replacing Goons just to have exactly the same system in place with someone else in charge.

If you recalled the Goons started out detesting BoB, and what they stood for. Funny how quickly things change.

And BoB wasn't propped up by auto-mails and timers. Can you imagine how much whining would have occurred if Goons had to wait 24hrs each time they wanted to attack BoB so BoB could get as many players as possible to wipe the floor with the Goons.



Your lack of knowledge about how sov mechanics work (and used to work) is breathtaking considering how often you post about them.


At least he didn't bring up pocos as sov assets again...Roll

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#106 - 2014-03-23 06:36:37 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Bael Malefic wrote:
The obvious answer:

Do unto the Goons as they did unto BoB.

'Tis a matter of time before one or more Awoxers bust it up from within. Or until one faction or another becomes disenchanted with the lemmingness of it all and lashes out.

Folks moan about somebody else winning. I say, get over it. You want to change things? Observe what they are doing. Analyze it. Find the weaknesses (there always are some). Exploit them.


Assuming it's remotely possible, I'm pretty sure people unhappy with a system that forces two sides at best aren't interested in going through the effort of replacing Goons just to have exactly the same system in place with someone else in charge.

If you recalled the Goons started out detesting BoB, and what they stood for. Funny how quickly things change.

And BoB wasn't propped up by auto-mails and timers. Can you imagine how much whining would have occurred if Goons had to wait 24hrs each time they wanted to attack BoB so BoB could get as many players as possible to wipe the floor with the Goons.



Your lack of knowledge about how sov mechanics work (and used to work) is breathtaking considering how often you post about them.

You're inability to consider the health of the game and your denial of the broken system which allows you to keep sov without effort is laughable.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Dave stark
#107 - 2014-03-23 06:39:05 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
You're inability to consider the health of the game and your denial of the broken system which allows you to keep sov without effort is laughable.


but the forest is full of trolls!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#108 - 2014-03-23 06:52:14 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

You're inability to consider the health of the game and your denial of the broken system which allows you to keep sov without effort is laughable.


Yeah, that's why they argued for years to have Technetium nerfed into the ground... Roll

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#109 - 2014-03-23 07:38:52 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Bael Malefic wrote:
The obvious answer:

Do unto the Goons as they did unto BoB.

'Tis a matter of time before one or more Awoxers bust it up from within. Or until one faction or another becomes disenchanted with the lemmingness of it all and lashes out.

Folks moan about somebody else winning. I say, get over it. You want to change things? Observe what they are doing. Analyze it. Find the weaknesses (there always are some). Exploit them.


Assuming it's remotely possible, I'm pretty sure people unhappy with a system that forces two sides at best aren't interested in going through the effort of replacing Goons just to have exactly the same system in place with someone else in charge.

If you recalled the Goons started out detesting BoB, and what they stood for. Funny how quickly things change.

And BoB wasn't propped up by auto-mails and timers. Can you imagine how much whining would have occurred if Goons had to wait 24hrs each time they wanted to attack BoB so BoB could get as many players as possible to wipe the floor with the Goons.



Prior to dominion, Sov was claimed by towers, which had reinforcement timers, and mailed you when they get shot.

As you can imagine, removing BoB (or for the most part BoBs renters/serfs that they used for meat shielding) from a system with 50 moons was more painful than the current system. But we've explained why hitpoint spamming (which towers is) was bad to you already.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#110 - 2014-03-23 07:52:55 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Bael Malefic wrote:
The obvious answer:

Do unto the Goons as they did unto BoB.

'Tis a matter of time before one or more Awoxers bust it up from within. Or until one faction or another becomes disenchanted with the lemmingness of it all and lashes out.

Folks moan about somebody else winning. I say, get over it. You want to change things? Observe what they are doing. Analyze it. Find the weaknesses (there always are some). Exploit them.


Assuming it's remotely possible, I'm pretty sure people unhappy with a system that forces two sides at best aren't interested in going through the effort of replacing Goons just to have exactly the same system in place with someone else in charge.

If you recalled the Goons started out detesting BoB, and what they stood for. Funny how quickly things change.

And BoB wasn't propped up by auto-mails and timers. Can you imagine how much whining would have occurred if Goons had to wait 24hrs each time they wanted to attack BoB so BoB could get as many players as possible to wipe the floor with the Goons.



Prior to dominion, Sov was claimed by towers, which had reinforcement timers, and mailed you when they get shot.

As you can imagine, removing BoB (or for the most part BoBs renters/serfs that they used for meat shielding) from a system with 50 moons was more painful than the current system. But we've explained why hitpoint spamming (which towers is) was bad to you already.





What they should have done is dropped the idea of system sov altogether. Constellation level Sov, with the ability to attack the central hub, or give the alternative to coordinate attacks on multiple systems in the constellation.

Grinding system by system is a form of self-abuse that only a true basement dweller could love.

Signature removed - CCP Eterne
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2014-03-23 08:21:46 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

You're inability to consider the health of the game and your denial of the broken system which allows you to keep sov without effort is laughable.


Yeah, that's why they argued for years to have Technetium nerfed into the ground... Roll

looking at drone assistance "fix" (and how fast it was "fixed") i'm not sure they REALLY did tho....

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#112 - 2014-03-23 08:23:04 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

You're inability to consider the health of the game and your denial of the broken system which allows you to keep sov without effort is laughable.


Yeah, that's why they argued for years to have Technetium nerfed into the ground... Roll

looking at drone assistance "fix" (and how fast it was "fixed") i'm not sure they REALLY did tho....


Technetium, notably, wasn't crashing the servers.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#113 - 2014-03-23 09:40:54 UTC
it is just one phase on evolving sandbox.

What comes next? is the question.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2014-03-23 11:08:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Dave Stark wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
You're inability to consider the health of the game and your denial of the broken system which allows you to keep sov without effort is laughable.


but the forest is full of trolls!

Indeed.


Bad Messenger wrote:
it is just one phase on evolving sandbox.

What comes next? is the question.

When there's only one way to take and keep sov, timers, turning up at x time... that's called themepark. Its the only ride in town.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2014-03-23 11:35:31 UTC
SOV fights get free publicity of the "Biggest Space Battle in History" type and a rush of new subscribers.

This presumably is seen as a good thing.
Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2014-03-23 12:01:34 UTC
Rental Market is a product of Weak Alliances who would rather pay than fight. Its about as simple as that.

Not saying its good or bad, but it's really a reflection of the players themselves.

For some people its a cost of doing business. For others who don't participate, pride is probably a big factor. I think at the end of the day it comes down to many factors why the rental market is thriving so much.

Personally I find it fascinating how this game mirrors real life economics.



But to answer the OP's specific question. No its not getting out of hand. Anything can change in this game. The problem is their is only so many people who have the time, money and will to make that change. I think you will find that even if you broke the Rental Market that eventually it would probably return. There will always be people who are willing to pay rather than fight.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#117 - 2014-03-23 12:38:35 UTC
Freakdevil wrote:
Rental Market is a product of Weak Alliances who would rather pay than fight. Its about as simple as that.

Not saying its good or bad, but it's really a reflection of the players themselves.

For some people its a cost of doing business. For others who don't participate, pride is probably a big factor. I think at the end of the day it comes down to many factors why the rental market is thriving so much.

Personally I find it fascinating how this game mirrors real life economics.



But to answer the OP's specific question. No its not getting out of hand. Anything can change in this game. The problem is their is only so many people who have the time, money and will to make that change. I think you will find that even if you broke the Rental Market that eventually it would probably return. There will always be people who are willing to pay rather than fight.


It is easier to rent sov because CCP favors big fights and and makes numbers count more than player skill.

I understand that CCP is not willing to change mechanics because couple big alliances are better customers than random people.
Prince Kobol
#118 - 2014-03-23 12:45:07 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

You're inability to consider the health of the game and your denial of the broken system which allows you to keep sov without effort is laughable.


Yeah, that's why they argued for years to have Technetium nerfed into the ground... Roll


Unfortunately whilst I supported the welcome nerf to tech, (although it was years too late) it was a conflict driver which has not been replaced.
Prince Kobol
#119 - 2014-03-23 12:47:53 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
You're inability to consider the health of the game and your denial of the broken system which allows you to keep sov without effort is laughable.


but the forest is full of trolls!

Indeed.


Bad Messenger wrote:
it is just one phase on evolving sandbox.

What comes next? is the question.

When there's only one way to take and keep sov, timers, turning up at x time... that's called themepark. Its the only ride in town.


As opposed to infiltrating the the corp which owns those structures, taking control and leaving the alliance or maybe bribing somebody who is that corp to leave and switch sides?

Yes there is only one way to take sov..

Once again you show how little you know of Sov Mechanics and how little imagination you have.
ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
#120 - 2014-03-23 13:20:48 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

You're inability to consider the health of the game and your denial of the broken system which allows you to keep sov without effort is laughable.


Yeah, that's why they argued for years to have Technetium nerfed into the ground... Roll


lol. How do you stop anyone else attacking you or even competing? Remove what they will attack you for!. Goons didnt do that for the good of the game they did that to preserve themselves. They have amassed such a fortune and assets that the best way was to stop others doing the same and competing. Quite a clever strategy really. Dont ever thing goons do anything for anyone else expect themselves.