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Why everyone is wrong about minerals and the time to buy is now.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#41 - 2014-03-25 16:08:27 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Elizabeth Norn wrote:

According to the dev blog Veldspar is gaining 38.3 percent more Tritanium, multiply that by 72.4 percent (best high sec station refine post patch) and you get 1.001292 times current the Tritanium you can get right now from Veldspar with a 100 prcenterēfine, using an 86 percent refine you get about 1.18 time the Tritanium you can today.



Fair enough, perhaps I am misreading the context of some of these numbers. Just so long as minerals aren't magicly poofing into existance, we're good.

god forbid we accidentally broke the laws of physics in a universe where the planets do not move...

I should buy an Ishtar.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#42 - 2014-03-26 16:53:15 UTC
Between the changes in refining of ore and the mineral content of ore high sec miners will get about the same amount of minerals as now. Miners everywhere else (low, null, W) will get more. That will increase the overall supply of minerals, offsetting the reductions from loot reprocessing.

Also, there is now incentive for null sec alliances to recruit more miners. This is due to both the increased minerals you will now get from null refining, and because transport via modules has been nerfed. Some miners will move from high to null. Those that remain will find the belts a little less crowded and not stripped to nothing as often.

It will all work out.

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Allison A'vani
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2014-03-29 20:42:03 UTC
All of you are forgetting the fact that they are AGAIN taking out a huge chunk of the mineral supply out of the game. Reprocessed low meta mission drops are a significant portion of the mineral supply. Just like post-drone region changes, we will see a around 20% increase in trit prices (prechanges trit was around 4.1 isk per unit).
Adunh Slavy
#44 - 2014-03-30 00:12:30 UTC
We may see a shotage prior to, due to ore hoarding.

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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#45 - 2014-03-30 01:34:53 UTC
Allison A'vani wrote:
All of you are forgetting the fact that they are AGAIN taking out a huge chunk of the mineral supply out of the game. Reprocessed low meta mission drops are a significant portion of the mineral supply. Just like post-drone region changes, we will see a around 20% increase in trit prices (prechanges trit was around 4.1 isk per unit).


Have you got a source to back up this claim?

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#46 - 2014-03-31 12:51:25 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Kamikazie wrote:
I dunno Sabriz, NPC drops if you look at the piles of trit in mining systems vs ratting systems is pretty even and I'd say there is more in ratting then mining because the ratters build ammo and things that ratters just dont need. I also live in 0.0 and using 1 mining toon, my guys who rat and get the loot can outdo me in lowend minerals so much so I buy from them and mostly get highends. I do strip the belts clean.


The amount of trit vomited into the economy by the botted and the ISOboxed fleets (and the rare actual multiplayer fleet) in highsec is tremendous, however. We are talking over a trillion units a month. Ratters (even the rare breed that scoops every single thing with an MTU) are nothing next to that.

Nullsec mining, by design, is somewhat low on the Trit/Pyerite/Mex drops even after the recent changes. CCP's design intention is that nullsec is a net exporter of Morphite, Zydrine, Megacyte, Nocxicum and Isogen and a net importer of the others.

Now in a solidly locked down 0.0 system, an organised group might get a fair bit of reprocessable loot by dropping and bookmarking MTUs in each anomoly, then having one person come around once per hour in an Iteron scooping all of them. But that would be several ratters feeding one reprocessing alt. And they aren't getting anywhere near the volumes of minerals highsec vomits out.


Yup, I shot ~45 gurista BS the other day (with their escorts a total of 60m bounties in 1 hr), and they produced a total of 13.5m melt. Since the salvage was worth just as much as the melt, its kind of hard to want to do that in an iteron.

Also for me, that would have been 7 MTUs dropped.
Master Flakattack
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2014-04-02 18:13:25 UTC
OP is speculating trit when mineral compression is about to get nerfed in favour of ore compression.

Oh boy.
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