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High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP

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Marsha Mallow
#921 - 2014-03-30 23:07:22 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Many facts
Mario, give it up.
Baltec and Tippia are professional trolls and propagandists.
They would argue that black is white, if it helps the null sec cartel agenda.
You are just wasting electrons.
This huge nerf to high sec and low sec is not even the last nerf we are going to witness with this June release.
The cartels are just getting started.
Watch for announcements in the coming days about high sec mfg slots.

I'm semi pro. And my toaster told me to say: you are completely right, and it wants your crumpets. But it also said mean things so I glared at it.
I like the fact you can take the **** taking.
I like the fact sometimes you are right.
I like your exuberance.
If you can take it, you can say what you bloody well want, rawr P
(Altho, failed goon lawyer is a bit harsh. No one likes them, but c'mon - don't turn into the thing you despise)

The nullsec cartel leaders [as I mentioned before Ezwal violated me with his brushes] are collectively brain damaged from their erotic encrounters and screaming competititons. (ps no one gives a toss what they say anyway, it's more a matter of uhuhuhmm)
But anyway, doesn't hurt to call them names etc - maybe the flunkies deserve it more - just do it properly.

I have further things to say about your experiences with griefers and nasties, which you may ignore - or are you playing?

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Mario Putzo
#922 - 2014-03-30 23:29:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:

Many facts


Mario, give it up.
Baltec and Tippia are professional trolls and propagandists.

They would argue that black is white, if it helps the null sec cartel agenda.

You are just wasting electrons.
This huge nerf to high sec and low sec is not even the last nerf we are going to witness with this June release.
The cartels are just getting started.

Watch for announcements in the coming days about high sec mfg slots.


Because quoting something vague from six years ago now counts as facts in what is happening this summer...

A 3.7% drop in some mission runners income is not a huge nerf. After all, you were positively giddy with the 5% nerf to all null sec anom runners.


This isn't about income at all, christ how many times do I need to say that? Nothing I have said has anything to do with income from missions. It has everything to do with maintaining current production capacity. Which this change is going to reduce by roughly 12-15% overall.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#923 - 2014-03-30 23:34:51 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
This isn't about income at all
It is if you ask Dindin.

Quote:
Nothing I have said has anything to do with income from missions.
…and he wasn't addressing you either so that turns out fine.

Quote:
It has everything to do with maintaining current production capacity. Which this change is going to reduce by roughly 12-15% overall.
…based on numbers you concocted out of misunderstandings, ignorance, and pure assumptions. In actuality, there's very little to suggest that anything of the kind will actually happen, and the one thing we do know is that production capacity will increase as a direct result of compression being moved away from the production sphere.
Mario Putzo
#924 - 2014-03-30 23:37:43 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
This isn't about income at all
It is if you ask Dindin.

Quote:
Nothing I have said has anything to do with income from missions.
…and he wasn't addressing you either so that turns out fine.

Quote:
It has everything to do with maintaining current production capacity. Which this change is going to reduce by roughly 12-15% overall.
…based on numbers you concocted out of misunderstandings, ignorance, and pure assumptions. In actuality, there's very little to suggest that anything of the kind will actually happen, and the one thing we do know is that production capacity will increase as a direct result of compression being moved away from the production sphere.


He was specifically addressing me when he said "quoting something from six years ago" Sorry Robot lady but it seems you need to be reprogrammed in how to understand basic English, in addition to basic math.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#925 - 2014-03-30 23:42:06 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
He was specifically addressing me when he said "quoting something from six years ago"
…because you said it was “huge nerf”, which is what he disputed by mentioning the 3.7% reduction? No wait, that was Dindin.

He was addressing what you said to refute Dindin's claim that you had offered anything that resembled “facts”.

I'm sorry that you can't follow this very basic structure of “Dindin says X; baltec1 responds with Y”. So yes, it's about income, because that's what Dindin's rants are (pretty much) always about. It is also about Dindin only approving facts fiction that supports his wilfully ignorant doomsday proclamations.
Prt Scr
569th Freelancers
#926 - 2014-03-31 00:13:59 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
What's the process for getting the relevant statistics from CCP? Petition the CSM?



The best source of stats. will be at the relevant meetings at fanfest. There is normaly a good economy presentation with graphs and pictures for the hard of hearing

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Dagar Bly
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#927 - 2014-03-31 00:24:37 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I have yet to see one real reason why the situation that DP fears is a bad thing


Its bad for him?

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Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#928 - 2014-03-31 05:14:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaivar Lancer
Probably just repeating myself.

This nerf will affect newbies the most since they lack the SP to blitz, and thus need to salvage & loot for their ISK (from missions and ratting). On the otherhand, the reprocessing buff to null sec benefits the players that need the buff the least (veteran high SP null sec players who already have access to other ISK-printing activities in null sec).
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#929 - 2014-03-31 05:23:23 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Probably just repeating myself.

This nerf will affect newbies the most since they lack the SP to blitz, and thus need to salvage & loot for their ISK (from missions and ratting). On the otherhand, the reprocessing buff to null sec benefits the players that need the buff the least (veteran high SP null sec players who already have access to other ISK-printing activities in null sec).


You will be drowned out by the cartel propagandists who don't want those inconvenient facts to gain any traction.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#930 - 2014-03-31 05:25:22 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Probably just repeating myself.

This nerf will affect newbies the most since they lack the SP to blitz, and thus need to salvage & loot for their ISK (from missions and ratting). On the otherhand, the reprocessing buff to null sec benefits the players that need the buff the least (veteran high SP null sec players who already have access to other ISK-printing activities in null sec).


You will be drowned out by the cartel propagandists who don't want those inconvenient facts to gain any traction.


Especially since it's a lie, after all.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#931 - 2014-03-31 05:58:47 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:


This isn't about income at all, christ how many times do I need to say that? Nothing I have said has anything to do with income from missions. It has everything to do with maintaining current production capacity. Which this change is going to reduce by roughly 12-15% overall.


Which nobody cares about in the slightest.

Since hulls consume the most minerals and sink the minerals out of game, all that happens is the playerbase occasionally performs class substitution to economise on minerals, combined with making mining a bit more lucrative so a bit more worth doing, means that the overall supply vs demand will not be as stark as you want to make it out to be.

Tieracide + removal of alloys moved the vexor from 4.5m to 10m, but I don't see new players not being able to afford a vexor. Making it 11 instead of 10 is kinda trivial in comparison.

Also for any new player that goes out and mines, it makes little difference, because it takes however long it takes to mine a vexors worth of minerals and only changing the BPO influences that.

Also for anyone that wants to mine in nullsec, as it turns out one thing that is in abundance is F, H, J, G and K class (and 1s) systems all of which basically have lowsec belts - if there is peaking of lowsec ore values, then a miner that wants to have some sort of progression path to low or null, just got it.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#932 - 2014-03-31 07:24:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
There's really no need to argue with people like Dinsdale and Mario. Their arguments are clearly flawed in a multitude of ways, and beyond us being able to see that CCP can see it, so the change is coming now matter how much they kick and scream. Once it arrives and nothing changes, they'll go back to being largely irrelevant (and thankfully silent) until the next time they see a change they feel like kicking up a fuss about.

Just let useless people continue to be useless. They aren't willing to learn and they aren't willing to look at changes rationally and without bias, and that's their problem. It affects the rest of us to the sum of zero.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#933 - 2014-03-31 07:28:48 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


You will be drowned out by the cartel propagandists who don't want those inconvenient facts to gain any traction.


Again: why is The Cartel system bad?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Tanuki Kittybeta
Ripperoni in Pepperoni
#934 - 2014-03-31 11:00:03 UTC
Sup guys what's going on in this thread
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#935 - 2014-03-31 11:02:13 UTC
Tanuki Kittybeta wrote:
Sup guys what's going on in this thread


Dino has a problem with the NWO taking over the universe and is upset that his vast stock of minerals saved for Armageddon is being nerfed to specificly get him

The rest of most posters are crunching the numbers using facts

The minority are in here to get a sit down and a glass of milk to rest from the great Puritans Vs Libertarians argument raging elsewhere

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#936 - 2014-03-31 11:06:03 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Probably just repeating myself.

This nerf will affect newbies the most since they lack the SP to blitz, and thus need to salvage & loot for their ISK (from missions and ratting). On the otherhand, the reprocessing buff to null sec benefits the players that need the buff the least (veteran high SP null sec players who already have access to other ISK-printing activities in null sec).


Newer players have zero issues with blitzing missions and this nerf to reprocessed loot will be barely noticeable. The buff is most definitely needed for null because right now it is impossible to build in null sec and match let alone beat imports from jita.
Kyperion
#937 - 2014-03-31 11:52:45 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


You will be drowned out by the cartel propagandists who don't want those inconvenient facts to gain any traction.


Again: why is The Cartel system bad?


Because not everyone wants to be an F1 goon lemming?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#938 - 2014-03-31 12:00:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Kyperion wrote:

Because not everyone wants to be an F1 goon lemming?


What can I say, losers like to be on the losing side.

That and see below

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#939 - 2014-03-31 12:00:59 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


You will be drowned out by the cartel propagandists who don't want those inconvenient facts to gain any traction.


Again: why is The Cartel system bad?


Because not everyone wants to be an F1 goon lemming?


Have you ever actually encountered them? You know, fought them, fought with them, had a chat with any of them besides headbutting the wall on the forums?

Or are you just taking that talking point from people who appear to align with you as a "highsec player"?

My point is, did you ever bother to find out for yourself?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#940 - 2014-03-31 12:16:59 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Again: why is The Cartel system bad?

Because not everyone wants to be an F1 goon lemming?

Non sequitur.