EVE General Discussion

Basically just buffing Sov Null refining. It will be about 18% better than every where else in the game. HS, LS, NPC NULL will all remain the same. (assuming you have skills and pos). Refine rates go down, but Batch volumes required are also dropping to balance it out.

The big issue is the 45% reduction to reprocessed mineral amounts, which I think represents a large portion of the mineral market (25-30%) be it direct minerals on market, or producers using said minerals for direct production (thus not needing market minerals).

Also adding ore compression to Posses without need of a Rorqual.

So hey, who won the Alliance Tournament?

Totally different things, don't use obvious misdirection, it doesn't help your case



Given the huge stockpiles that are lying around i'd say it would be a long time before an impact would be seen, other than the inevitable blip caused by speculation trading.

What exactly do you think happened when gun-mining of drones was removed altogether ?

(note gunmining drones was paying the equivalent of bounty in minerals, and was a far larger proportion of mineral supply than module gunmining is).

Can you imagine what could happen with CCP's current ground rules on scamming, and a 'fight club' like mechanic... there would be remakes of every boxing/mafia movie all over New Eden!

Prices all across new eden went up...

We could easily see mineral prices fall. Null gains nearly 20% extra reprocessing for the same Ore. So it's actually profitable for them to buy ore in highsec, compress, ship to null, refine, then ship back to high sec. Compared to the same ore being refined in High sec despite the extra logistics it's cheaper for null. Or null could just use their cheaper minerals to destroy high sec industry by price wars if they really want.

Expect to see high end minerals in high sec become pricier as more get used in null though.

Back onto the real topic. Any blitzing missioner who used the salvaging corps services will see a significant hit to their income as will anyone who ran an alt to salvage. So it is fair to say that missioners are going to have a significant cut to their income on this, and this entire change is purely a null sec buff in ways that aren't needed, and in ways that disadvantage high sec the same way null has been complaining about for years, except by order of magnitudes greater disadvantage.

Basically it's fine when Null wins, but high sec can never win according to them.

The base principle of the changes to make skill matter however, is a good thing. It's just the ratio's are bad.

We will have to see. Or CCP could simply release the numbers on how much minerals are put into the server through loot mining. Based on old numbers and simply using the % changes to drops since the last CCP numbers and is likely around 25-30% of all mineral consumption in EVE, down from the roughly 45-50% it once was.

You don't seriously think that mining produces the most minerals do you? It might make up the most Trit and Pyrite, but it certainly doesn't hold a candle to the demands of Zydrine, Mexallon, Megacyte and Noxium.


This nerf would essentially remove 12-15% of all minerals from the game specifically the mid - high end minerals required for all production.

Or do you believe that suddenly miners will see that LS and NS mining are worth the isk, despite them always being more profitable places to mine, but much much riskier to do so. I doubt that any miners are going to be jumping onto the LS/NS mining market anytime soon.

Incursions and DED sites.

While not strictly missioning, I believe the point stands nonetheless.

Seriously, learn to read.

Firstly, even a blitzing mission runner can use the services of the emergent game play loot & salvage corps that operate. Meaning even blitzing mission runners can/will be affected by this change because they will get far lower income.

Secondly as has been posted a number of times with figures, a lot of people who do mission get a reasonable percentage of their actual income from mission loot. Exactly how big a nerf on average this is, only CCP can say, and they are refusing to, which suggests the figures aren't insignificant.

Thirdly, yes, Null sec has needed industrial incentives, but guess what, you just got massive ones in the last year already.
You do not need BETTER refining with perfect skills than highsec has, not when you already have better ores, moon goo, better PI, better POS costs due to POS fuel discounts with Sov, etc. Especially not when you have complained that the 2% difference assuming perfect skills has left Null Sec unable to compete, yet now that it is nearly 20% discount, TEN TIMES THE DIFFERENCE, somehow it's fair, just because it is in Null Sec's favour. I'm on board with the general change to refining making it so perfect skills are needed in high sec, I am on board with POS refining getting a benefit since POS's require upkeep. However an Outpost does in and of itself not require any upkeep. Sov bills are for the whole system not just the outpost, and you gain massive benefits for those sov bills already. You did not need additional benefits beyond equality to high sec for refining.