EVE General Discussion

Sorry, we are not allowed to discuss moderation, or I would have some very choice words about the intent of this moderation.

Because it's a tough job shuffling about with a mop and bucket, watching the drivileged talk **** and smear it upon everything they touch.
I deliberately took a cleaning job as a teenager and earned my Scrubber certificate (and badge). Have to say the lower orders were unanimous in agreeing that the overlords should spend at least a year scrubbing toilets, preferably with someone (not their parents) shouting abuse behind them.

Having said that, I for one quite enjoy an Ezwal scrubbing. HANDS UP, ISDS INCOMING etc

All those posts lost, like trash in space.

wrong thread remove pls

Except this isn't the only problem. The other one being fixed is the fact that levels4-5 of all Resource Processing skills are marginally useful.

Ah, E-Uni posting hasn't changed, it seems.

Firstly, yes, it's a good thing. In fact it's a great thing, because the easy availablity of minerals from loot drops with minimal refining skills pushed out plenty of legit uses for the skill, and in fact made it rather pointless to level up the Refining set of skills up.

Secondly, a tiny minority of people mission precisely this wrong way. They'll be happier just making more money.

Thirdly, yes, this will push them to LP sources of income instead of mineral sources. That is also a good thing, mineral inflation is a bad thing, especially when it just pops up from killing NPCs. That's why they nerfed drone mineral drops, too. This is just an extension of that same policy.

Fourth, it's a good thing for almost everyone, as it helps diversify the industrial landscape. Refining will actually become a thing now.

45? It was well over 50 when he locked it, I thought?

I was in the UNI a long tme.
I know how many new players use mission loot as a major source of their income.
I know how many times new players would trail along behind an older player who mas generous enough not to loot their site.
I also know how many of those new players have not particularly great refining skills, but will certainly mine to make some coin. I used to help out with mining ops with new players. UNIstas would show up in a belt and go nuts.

These players all just got killed in their income.
There are a 1000 of them in the UNI.

ALL those new players just got creamed.
It does not matter how CCP and the null sec cartels spin it, those new players are all faced with a huge drop in their income.
Yet this is supposed to improve the new player experience.....right.

Once again, CCP proves it hates the largest segment of its own subscription base.
And the null sec cartels just point, giggle, and buy more vaults to hold ever bigger piles of ISK.

bugger reprocessing mission loot, the only reason people reprocess the terrible mods they get from missions is because the mods themselves are worthless. that's something that also needs to change and probably will soon, making the mods more valuable, hopefully. these things being more useful as scrap is a broken part of the game

also i imagine blitzing for lp means less isk is entering the game, not more, since most mission isk is from bounties and lp stores are an isk sink

finally even if there was a slight increase in inflation it doesn't mean a bad part of the game shouldn't be fixed, there are other ways to control money and there are more changes on the way (let's hope npc stations start charging more to manufacture, eh?)

No, all those players just got a reason to learn how to make a good income rather than a horrid one. If they actually adapt to the new changes, their income will shoot up.

Who?

No, it's not a particularly huge drop since minerals stopped being a big portion of what you get a long time ago. Everything that actually earns them money — high-value loot, salvage, pure ISK rewards, bounties, and LP — is still there. The fact that they didn't have great refining skills or standings means they never got a lot of minerals out of the little loot as it was; this change only reduces that already very small source.

Says who?
This is supposed to remove a downright idiotic mechanism that nullifies choice, makes entire skills pointless, offers no incentive to move beyond NPC services, devalues mining, and muddies the water for industrialists, and at the same time, it creates a new career path (mainly in highsec). It also removes the need for the fugly extra-materials kluge whenever manufactured items get rebalanced and it sets a proper stage for future module metacide efforts.

It thereby improves the game for pretty much everyone.