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High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#21 - 2014-03-20 18:35:40 UTC
A boost to mining? I don't even...

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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#22 - 2014-03-20 18:37:35 UTC
So Dinsdale is up in arms again about something that's nowhere near as harsh as he makes out, well there's a shock.

You know if you'd put this amount of effort into a CSM campaign you'd have pretty much ensured you got elected already, if only because everyone would know who you were and that you claim to care about highsec. Of course its far easier to take cheap shots from the peanut gallery rather than actually take a bit of responsibility isn't it Roll

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Pix Severus
Empty You
#23 - 2014-03-20 18:40:06 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
and if one does loot most isk comes from meta iv stuff which is crap to reprocess in the first place.


Confirming this. You only reprocess the very cheap stuff (<50k ISK items) anyway, you sell the good stuff directly on the market.

In reality this is an extremely small nerf, and with the amount of nullbear whining we've had over the last few months, it could've been a lot worse.

So suck it up, HTFU, adapt or die, etc etc etc.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2014-03-20 18:47:10 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
and if one does loot most isk comes from meta iv stuff which is crap to reprocess in the first place.


Confirming this. You only reprocess the very cheap stuff (<50k ISK items) anyway, you sell the good stuff directly on the market.

In reality this is an extremely small nerf, and with the amount of nullbear whining we've had over the last few months, it could've been a lot worse.

So suck it up, HTFU, adapt or die, etc etc etc.


We told you it wouldn't hurt to nerf high sec slightly to fix null industryBlink
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#25 - 2014-03-20 18:48:23 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

What you say is true, but for the fact is that vast majority of null sec anom runners don't loot.
And most mission runners do loot in high sec.


-Nullsec, lots of battleships, single pocket, all in same system. Looting is very optimal.
-Hisec, multiple mission pockets, missions spread out across constellation, payout in LP is an incentive to skip looting (looting more attractive if doing navy missions and not blitzing).

You're saying this is a nerf to hisec because both people in hisec and people in nullsec are doing it wrong. No, I don't think so. Rather this is a nerf to looting, which has gotten lots of buffs in recent years and affects some players everywhere.

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Guess the MTU was to popular a module

This is probably true. CCP is saying taht near-perfect scrap reprocessing is a problem on its own, but the addition of the MTU makes reprocessing more impactful than ever before. I can buy this.

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#26 - 2014-03-20 18:50:45 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
and if one does loot most isk comes from meta iv stuff which is crap to reprocess in the first place.


Confirming this. You only reprocess the very cheap stuff (<50k ISK items) anyway, you sell the good stuff directly on the market.

In reality this is an extremely small nerf, and with the amount of nullbear whining we've had over the last few months, it could've been a lot worse.

So suck it up, HTFU, adapt or die, etc etc etc.


Not sure how you are doing your math, but this is a huge huge hit.
Have you seen the value of large smart bombs, 1600 mm armour plates, and 100 Mn MwD's, just for a few examples.
They sell at mineral value.
They are worth between 800,000 and 1 million each.

At first I thought they were taking a 27.6% nerf.
Now, after re-reading the dev blog, I realize it is actually a 45% nerf.
That is monstrous.

So yeah, all the propaganda by the null sec cartels was worth it to them.
This is a huge hit to high sec income.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2014-03-20 18:54:46 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
and if one does loot most isk comes from meta iv stuff which is crap to reprocess in the first place.


Confirming this. You only reprocess the very cheap stuff (<50k ISK items) anyway, you sell the good stuff directly on the market.

In reality this is an extremely small nerf, and with the amount of nullbear whining we've had over the last few months, it could've been a lot worse.

So suck it up, HTFU, adapt or die, etc etc etc.


Not sure how you are doing your math, but this is a huge huge hit.
Have you seen the value of large smart bombs, 1600 mm armour plates, and 100 Mn MwD's, just for a few examples.
They sell at mineral value.
They are worth between 800,000 and 1 million each.

At first I thought they were taking a 27.6% nerf.
Now, after re-reading the dev blog, I realize it is actually a 45% nerf.
That is monstrous.

So yeah, all the propaganda by the null sec cartels was worth it to them.
This is a huge hit to high sec income.


You earn more running missions when blitzing and ignoring loot.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2014-03-20 18:59:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Nariya Kentaya
Maybe im just a complete dumbass, or maybe amarr is just a horrible market, but wasnt mission income, even in lvl 4's, about 40% bounty, 50% salvage, and 10% modules, of which 8% is meta 4 (as in not refined, sold on amrket) and the last 2% was the minerals from refined ****-tier crap?

so how is this a huge nerf to mission runners? its not even that much fo a buff for miners, especially high sec ones.

however, if i read it right, POS-based refineries are getting a slight buff maybe i think? if so, thats a HUGE +1
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#29 - 2014-03-20 19:01:21 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
and if one does loot most isk comes from meta iv stuff which is crap to reprocess in the first place.


Confirming this. You only reprocess the very cheap stuff (<50k ISK items) anyway, you sell the good stuff directly on the market.

In reality this is an extremely small nerf, and with the amount of nullbear whining we've had over the last few months, it could've been a lot worse.

So suck it up, HTFU, adapt or die, etc etc etc.


Not sure how you are doing your math, but this is a huge huge hit.
Have you seen the value of large smart bombs, 1600 mm armour plates, and 100 Mn MwD's, just for a few examples.
They sell at mineral value.
They are worth between 800,000 and 1 million each.

At first I thought they were taking a 27.6% nerf.
Now, after re-reading the dev blog, I realize it is actually a 45% nerf.
That is monstrous.

So yeah, all the propaganda by the null sec cartels was worth it to them.
This is a huge hit to high sec income.


You earn more running missions when blitzing and ignoring loot.


No.

I loot as I kill rats. If I do it well, I can finish looting very shortly after killing everything, or will simply grab everything I can while killing rats, and leave the rest. So I ALWAYS make more looting than not looting.

However, that incentive was just destroyed.

The null cartels move one step closer to their objective of turning high sec into a wasteland.
I wonder what other attacks on high sec we will see in the coming days.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#30 - 2014-03-20 19:03:12 UTC
I am a mission running carebear queen, my husband and daughter like to mine together (god only knows why, I find it tedious P ). At the most this will give me incentive to blitz most missions for LP and just loot dog tags. It won't drive me into null though, been there, done that, not going back. But really, stop painting the devil on the wall, it is not so bad.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2014-03-20 19:03:29 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


No.

I loot as I kill rats. If I do it well, I can finish looting very shortly after killing everything, or will simply grab everything I can while killing rats, and leave the rest. So I ALWAYS make more looting than not looting.

However, that incentive was just destroyed.

The null cartels move one step closer to their objective of turning high sec into a wasteland.
I wonder what other attacks on high sec we will see in the coming days.


You are not blitzing if you are killing everything.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#32 - 2014-03-20 19:05:10 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Maybe im just a complete dumbass, or maybe amarr is just a horrible market, but wasnt mission income, even in lvl 4's, about 40% bounty, 50% salvage, and 10% modules, of which 8% is meta 4 (as in not refined, sold on amrket) and the last 2% was the minerals from refined ****-tier crap?

so how is this a huge nerf to mission runners? its not even that much fo a buff for miners, especially high sec ones.

however, if i read it right, POS-based refineries are getting a slight buff maybe i think? if so, thats a HUGE +1


You need to add LP income to that, it is a large percentage. 50 percent from salvage I think is a bit high.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#33 - 2014-03-20 19:11:42 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
I am a mission running carebear queen, my husband and daughter like to mine together (god only knows why, I find it tedious P ). At the most this will give me incentive to blitz most missions for LP and just loot dog tags. It won't drive me into null though, been there, done that, not going back. But really, stop painting the devil on the wall, it is not so bad.


It is indeed terrible.
You say you will just blitz for LP.
Well, guess what, everyone will be.
And that drives down the value of your LP, and your ISK per hour.

Welcome to the Eve designed by the null sec cartels.
Xeronikus
MARE Technology Department
#34 - 2014-03-20 19:12:45 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


You earn more running missions when blitzing and ignoring loot.


Which is exactly what I am going to do if they implement this, since looting is hardly worth it as it is. But holy **** 45% nerf to mission loot. Talk about shoving hi-sec mission runners/looters a big fat boot so far up their ass they can chew on the sole.

I used it to run a little ammo production on the side, now scrapmetal processing is going to become a dead weight skill that only serves to increase clone costs. Also the implant will quite possibly be a 500m+ ISK. Looking at the mining implant 1b+ seems more likely.
Before you get that money back in from the bonus, you'll probably see the eve gate open again.

On the plus side, I can sell my Noctis and other loot ships, freeing some capital.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#35 - 2014-03-20 19:13:04 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


Not only will Miners be getting more out of their ore/ice, there is substantially less minerals coming into the market from loot refinement.


This is exciting news. CCP could have given me, an industrialist/miner with months spent maxing repro skills, no better gift.
unidenify
Deaf Armada
#36 - 2014-03-20 19:13:07 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

You earn more running missions when blitzing and ignoring loot.


few L4 mission is worth to loot (usually mission that have few npc or long distance between gate is terrible for loot/salvage)

and if you drop MTU in each room as you kill npc, they will pull for you as you work through each room thus short up time you need to loot and salvage. I usually bring Noctis with 8 Salvager because I just need to salvage all wreck that is already pull by MTU to one point.



I am not going to lost sleep over 20, 50, 39, whatever % I lost from reprocess on this nerf

I only reprocess <50k isk value items.

I could change my plan by put all junk into contract and sell to random buyer and let him worry about value later.
Anslo
Scope Works
#37 - 2014-03-20 19:13:07 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


No.

I loot as I kill rats. If I do it well, I can finish looting very shortly after killing everything, or will simply grab everything I can while killing rats, and leave the rest. So I ALWAYS make more looting than not looting.

However, that incentive was just destroyed.

The null cartels move one step closer to their objective of turning high sec into a wasteland.
I wonder what other attacks on high sec we will see in the coming days.


You are not blitzing if you are killing everything.

Actually Dins...he's right...man I feel dirty.
Mission runners bank more by jumping in, blitzing the objective and leaving. Using the lp->isk formula you can then get the lp item thatll max your conversion. Much faster/easier than looting any day of the week.

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CODE.d
#38 - 2014-03-20 19:15:11 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Well ****, looks like CCP is on the path to fixing Null industryBig smile

Excellent. When can we expect the Goon departure from high-sec? You have your null sandbox to sh*t all over, so kindly stop f**king around in ours...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#39 - 2014-03-20 19:16:50 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

You earn more running missions when blitzing and ignoring loot.


No.

I loot as I kill rats. If I do it well, I can finish looting very shortly after killing everything, or will simply grab everything I can while killing rats, and leave the rest. So I ALWAYS make more looting than not looting.

However, that incentive was just destroyed.


If you can loot without significantly extending the time it takes to complete a mission as you claim, then there is always incentive to do so, even if the value of loot is moderately reduced. So the incentive is obviously not "destroyed."

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The null cartels move one step closer to their objective of turning high sec into a wasteland.
I wonder what other attacks on high sec we will see in the coming days.


holy hell give it a rest.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#40 - 2014-03-20 19:17:02 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec.
In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines.



Man, you are like clockwork lol.