Science & Industry

Just pretend its a fee that the NPC owners are extracting. Since that would make sense.

the only ones that will see a difference are those that depend on looting and salvaging the sites other people have cleared.

newbie miners will simply sell ore, maybe even at a better rate than before

because something that players build should always be better then what is gifted by npcs, especially considering what goes in to just getting to the point where you can place an outpost.

It will destroy them.
Plain and simple.
This is an enormous hit to low skilled miners, and any low skilled players who followed others in mission sites looting.

But that is all part of the plan to wipe out high sec as a viable place to make a living income.
Congrats null sec cartels, you are one step closer to destroying the incubator for the vast majority of the new players.

Loot! When I reprocess it now will I need to start splitting all of my stacks in to ones to get the best return?


If I have an item that gives one megacyte per item and I can reprocess at 60% with rounding I would think that I will get one megacyte.

So now if I have 10 of the same item and I reprocess the stack that could give 10 megacyte will I only get 6 megacyte? With the same stack of 10 items split in to ones and done 10 times will give 10 megacyte I believe.


Is this correct? If so, how can this be considered a good thing for game play?

Not even close, and certainly not the best. Heavy industries like oil refineries and ore smelters, power plants (especially nuclear) have no residential nearby. Nowhere near even 1% of a city population will come close to such spaces. A good nuclear plant has no advantage to being close to a populated area, it does not becomes better for it, but worse! The same is true of other most heavy industry!



A POS is not a war zone until that corporation gets into a war. Then there is a viable alternative for industry in NPC stations, be it at some efficiency costs. All the stuff a corporation needs to be active in a war can be bought of market and shipped in from other places. During wartime no sensible person goes mining to get ore for munitions and/.or ships. Your analogy falls really short here.



Yous dismiss everything that makes it harder to get access to the benefit and then say the case you compare to it is equal. Well obviously, you just proved otherwise.

With respect to player build items:

Well, player build outposts already are worse off then current NPC stations. They are clearly not the same deal. If you argue they are, then why do they not have the same refine rate. Why are there NPC stations that have different rates?

If on the other hand you argue that an outpost is NOT a station and that there aren't real NPC equivalents. In that case, your comparison doesnt make sense and it is logical they can have different refine rates.

In two opposite ways of looking at it, your argument fails and is thus either not applicable (proves nothing) or simply false. Also the cost of an identical item, can be different depending on location...there is nothing unusual about it.



I get that your income from loot gets nerved. Other then my opinion that 100% recycle is unreal and that it should also never be near as effective as say mining, i got no real opinion. The devs are in a much better situation to look at the macro numbers and decide how much a nerf is needed. That a nerf is needed is logical, the current state of affairs is absurd.

The rest of what you wrote i cannot make heads, nor tails off. Maybe you can redo that in a follow up post. It is hard to respond to something I cannot read.



I think you have a misconception of what actually has been done over all these years. We got Incursions, which many people like and earn lots of ISK in. We have seen PI, where mass manufacturers around Jita made good money. We have seen a huge mining and mining ship buff not too long ago. Same for T1 haulers.

There also have been some limited nerfs, like high sec ICE belts for example. Better PI in riskier systems and better mission LP in riskier systems. But as long as some high sec mission hubs and surroundings have around a hundred or more people in local, it is hard to argue those nerfs are anywhere near fatal.

So I agree there has been a gentle push toward more dangerous spaces, nothing wrong with that IMHO. I would like to see some attention to the older high sec activities such as missions, they are too repeating to my taste.

As for high sec maybe shrinking, i certainly hope so. EVE needs some evolution in the territorial landscape. And with more and more capsuleers it only makes perfect sense empire influence becomes less. This will not be a bad thing, but you will need to adapt. WIth changes also come new opportunities.

I like a bit of freshness every few years, don't you?

I'm guessing you've never been to the UK...Cities grew around the manufacturing areas *because* that's where the work is. Ever heard of Sellafield? That's one of our nuclear plants with a thriving community living around it. Aberdeen in Scotland is the hub of the oils industry and is heavily populated and has zero (0) unemployment. People only refine materials in the source area if it is too difficult to move the raw goods to the manufacturing areas. British Steel grew in the area in and around Sheffield since that's where all the iron ore was. Coal and ore mining sat side-by-side with the factories, in turn surrounded by the homes of the workers.

This change does seem a little like making it so that null sec folks can be more self sufficient. I thought the point of some things being rare in null was so that they had to interact with the rest of Eve? Better refining means more mexallon for a start.. I'm not averse to change but this seems to be gifting nullsec folks with more profit at the expense of hisec (and therefore the new and learning player base). Nullsec life already has many advantages over hisec/losec, I certainly don't think they can cry poverty when they can have a battle where 75 Titans get vaporized! I'm not keen on the current proposal myself, if they want people to migrate from hisec they need to give an incentive through better PvE which in turn leads to PvP.

Personally I like my hisec life since it lets me make my own way doing what takes my fancy. Anything that pushes me down the sec areas takes away my choices as through necessity I would need to join other alliances that have specific requirements on time/ship loadouts/ops etc. I am not a number I'm a free clone! (clone 4 to be exact...oh wait...damn...)...