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Reprocessing Changes Dev Blog

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#1 - 2014-03-20 15:06:47 UTC
ugh

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/reprocess-all-the-things

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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#2 - 2014-03-20 15:28:22 UTC
Love everything there. Fantastic.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#3 - 2014-03-20 15:32:36 UTC
My "ugh" was for the needless complexity and length of the article.

I just have better things to do than trying to parse and understand with exactitude all that this implies (pretty much happens with every Dev Blog the past few years IMHO).

Obfuscation through overwhelming abundance of information, most indeed.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Qalix
Long Jump.
#4 - 2014-03-20 15:38:59 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
My "ugh" was for the needless complexity and length of the article.

I just have better things to do than trying to parse and understand with exactitude all that this implies (pretty much happens with every Dev Blog the past few years IMHO).

Obfuscation through overwhelming abundance of information, most indeed.

It's necessary, not needless. In recent years, they've done a much better job of posting dev blogs that anticipate objections and common questions.

I actually find the last line of the blog the most interesting. The long awaited industry expansion is here!
Kagehisa Shintaro
Back Door Burglars
#5 - 2014-03-20 15:39:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Kagehisa Shintaro
Moved this comment to another thread, sry for posting in wrong area.

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Luna Deos
Moon Intensifies
Deae Lunae
#6 - 2014-03-20 15:46:15 UTC
It's almost as if CCP wasn't playing their own game. I pretty much stopped reading after the justification:

Quote:
Currently you can reprocess at a perfect 100% rate uniformly across New Eden, regardless of system or station.


Except, you know, and stations under 35% which you couldn't get perfect back even if you trains everything to 5 *and* had the best implant.

Which is to say, most nullsec outposts. You pretty much *need* that minmatar station so you have to build your infrastructure around this exact sort of thing.

But who needs facts. I just feel bad for the logistics folks, since they'll have to be jumping even more things around to compensate.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#7 - 2014-03-20 15:48:40 UTC
Luna Deos wrote:
It's almost as if CCP wasn't playing their own game. I pretty much stopped reading after the justification:

Quote:
Currently you can reprocess at a perfect 100% rate uniformly across New Eden, regardless of system or station.


Except, you know, and stations under 35% which you couldn't get perfect back even if you trains everything to 5 *and* had the best implant.

Which is to say, most nullsec outposts. You pretty much *need* that minmatar station so you have to build your infrastructure around this exact sort of thing.

But who needs facts. I just feel bad for the logistics folks, since they'll have to be jumping even more things around to compensate.

I read that too but I took it as most of empire space.

You should keep reading to see how Null outpost upgrades will be better than empire.

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Virtutis Sahasranama
Old Spice Syndicate
#8 - 2014-03-20 15:51:20 UTC
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I'd just like to point out that Minmatat Refinery Outposts in Null Sec don't get a 50% Base Yield. They get 35%


This was in a post above and went to reply and the post went away, but was going to agree - I read that part of the article and my first though was " did someone forget to tell that to the Minmatar Outposts?".
Orisuko Narada
Kangaroos on Steroids.
#9 - 2014-03-20 16:26:04 UTC
I do not understand philosophy behind new ore compression, there is no change in tab except +30% minerals (mentioned boost). That means that it is better to carry minerals from Arkonor instead Compressed Arkonor, and no ore ever get close to 425mm Railgun with compression ratio 1:28.5 - Veldspar is at 1:16.56, Spodumain 1:5.53, Dark Ochre 1:1.64. Since no corporation is able to mine 3.5B trit for titan alone, this means huge nerf for mineral transportation. Or is there anything I missed?
CCP Ytterbium
C C P
C C P Alliance
#10 - 2014-03-20 16:47:42 UTC
Orisuko Narada wrote:
I do not understand philosophy behind new ore compression, there is no change in tab except +30% minerals (mentioned boost). That means that it is better to carry minerals from Arkonor instead Compressed Arkonor, and no ore ever get close to 425mm Railgun with compression ratio 1:28.5 - Veldspar is at 1:16.56, Spodumain 1:5.53, Dark Ochre 1:1.64. Since no corporation is able to mine 3.5B trit for titan alone, this means huge nerf for mineral transportation. Or is there anything I missed?


You didn't miss anything, we did: to add the new volumes for the compressed ores Oops Working on that.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#11 - 2014-03-20 17:15:08 UTC
Orisuko Narada wrote:
I do not understand philosophy behind new ore compression, there is no change in tab except +30% minerals (mentioned boost). That means that it is better to carry minerals from Arkonor instead Compressed Arkonor, and no ore ever get close to 425mm Railgun with compression ratio 1:28.5 - Veldspar is at 1:16.56, Spodumain 1:5.53, Dark Ochre 1:1.64. Since no corporation is able to mine 3.5B trit for titan alone, this means huge nerf for mineral transportation. Or is there anything I missed?


Good catch I was wondering what I was missing and kept scanning the text with a nagging feeling that something was wrong.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-03-20 17:15:32 UTC
Luna Deos wrote:
It's almost as if CCP wasn't playing their own game. I pretty much stopped reading after the justification:

Quote:
Currently you can reprocess at a perfect 100% rate uniformly across New Eden, regardless of system or station.


Except, you know, and stations under 35% which you couldn't get perfect back even if you trains everything to 5 *and* had the best implant.

Which is to say, most nullsec outposts. You pretty much *need* that minmatar station so you have to build your infrastructure around this exact sort of thing.

But who needs facts. I just feel bad for the logistics folks, since they'll have to be jumping even more things around to compensate.


Bad interpretation is bad.
CCP Ytterbium
C C P
C C P Alliance
#13 - 2014-03-20 17:17:49 UTC
Blog has been updated with new compressed ore volumes, and fixed typo with outpost reprocessing values on TQ.
Orisuko Narada
Kangaroos on Steroids.
#14 - 2014-03-20 17:29:49 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Blog has been updated with new compressed ore volumes, and fixed typo with outpost reprocessing values on TQ.


Perfect, thank you very much. Now it looks like competitive to compressed guns. Still, guns could pack all mats in one package, I really hate to make tabs to calculate needed compressed ores - but that is life we live Smile
Luna Deos
Moon Intensifies
Deae Lunae
#15 - 2014-03-20 17:49:57 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Blog has been updated with new compressed ore volumes, and fixed typo with outpost reprocessing values on TQ.

Well, that went from awful to fantastic in record time.

That said, the statistician in me doesn't like the the idea of something like 86.8% (perfect station, perfect skills, perfect implants) being the new "100%".
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#16 - 2014-03-20 17:58:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Nalelmir Ahashion
So in bottom line can you please write down which skills\implants\station and such I need in order to get same amount of minerals I now get with 100% refining?

I really want to be prepared ahead of time and not get stuck without being able to refine my ores into profitable mineral quantity.

EDIT:
Ok so we need
Refining V
Refining Efficiency V
Specific Ore skill V
50% station
6.67 standings

In order to get 2.8% LESS minerals?
massive timesink....
Luna Deos
Moon Intensifies
Deae Lunae
#17 - 2014-03-20 18:13:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Luna Deos
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
Ok so we need
[...]
In order to get 2.8% LESS minerals?
massive timesink....


I get 0.07% less, but yes. You're pretty much there. Looks like it's a way to make those spec skills have actual value, or a way to bring highsec to the same needs as null, since I had to train these all to 5 long ago.

Edit: My calculations included the +4% implant as well.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#18 - 2014-03-20 18:16:42 UTC
Hmm... interesting I guess now minerals value will increase after that change due to the lack of miner refine same amounts.
Luna Deos
Moon Intensifies
Deae Lunae
#19 - 2014-03-20 18:27:36 UTC
Looks to be a bit of a run on the RX-80X markets as a result of this announcement.

Those are about to get a lot more demand.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#20 - 2014-03-20 18:34:45 UTC
Luna Deos wrote:
Looks to be a bit of a run on the RX-80X markets as a result of this announcement.

Those are about to get a lot more demand.


hahahha we think the same I read this blog took shuttle and grabbed as many as I can for future selling purposes.. then I saw u can get them from LP store and gave up the idea :x
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