Intergalactic Summit

All men throughout the cluster thrive on hearing themselves talk, but the Caldari stanzas here are second only to the Jin-Mei in the economy of their poetry.

I prefer the more abstract imagery of the Jin-Mei, personally.

Regarding the Senate... well, it seems the budding plutocracy isn't content with keeping their cash within Federation borders after all.

Surprising to hear such words from a Caldari patriot. I compliment you on your honesty.

-Eran

Civilian, keep away from Caldari military affairs, you don't understand even easiest thing about this.

It was a total victory in a day. The planet was completely ours, until gallenteans attacked it again a year ago. So don't spread lies that you were here. This is simply impossible with what you have in your head. And it seems more like your "kirjuunen" are in federal space, than Caldari.

Only because of Provists the State has risen from its knees.
Only because of Provists the State has real meritocracy without nepotism (well, except Kaalakiota and Ishukone CEO's, as we all know, Tibus Heth didn't have time to finish this on highest level).
And only because of Provists we finally got our planet back.
Even that part of it still occupied by enemies, it is ours.
Everyone has seen now what Caldari can do, and that we can take what belongs to us.

Provists are threat only to the scum, that are acting against interests of Caldari peoples.
Ishukone CEO has betrayed Caldari spirit, and is, of course, under threat.
I would, actually, executed him myself for his treason, if I had a chance.
He is a disgusting stain on a reputation of Caldari State.

Ranting traitor. How neat.
Okay. I'll try to point out all lies, so you won't decieve readers with your "stuff".


Ishukone is the only one of the Okusaiken, that disgraced itself by dealing with enemy, where direct strike and force reaquisition should have followed.
The deal was closed, until federals attacked us again. And Ishukone simply surrendered to them.
As they say, the fastest way to end the war is to lose. Ishukone did exactly that.


This was a treaty immediately after defeat in the battle, this treaty did nothing, but fixed this defeat.
The only side, that gained by this, was Federation.
Oh, and of course, Ishukone, that got most of the planet under their Control... by trading with Federation.
Ishukone maybe doesn't "gain" from the spoils of war, but Federation sure does.
How does it feel to be a traitor to your own people, Agiri?


Yea, this guy was the greatest Caldari Hero, who defended Caldari people, who restored the State, removed nepotism, and risked his own life, while leading the whole State, by participating in military operation himself just among regular soldiers like me.
You civilians can't understand, how does it feel, than our leader, who we know should be sitting in safe office, instead descends on the dirt and fight back to back with us.
You can sit in your sweet office and chew pencils, and think it is everyone's job. But until you yourself sniff the gunpowder, you won't understand us.


What a freaking liar you are, Agiri.
He WAS chosen by the CEP as Executor.
Go learn history, for Maker's sake, civilian.
Democracy your butt, deceitful smalldog.

DONE your ***.
It was a fight between ground support group and capital killing group. And they lost almost all their capital killers in this fight. So, for Maker's sake, civilian. Go learn some tactics or stop talking about military affairs like you understand a **** in it.
We lost just a small ground support unit. You have not a slightest idea, what Navy can field. So, just read it, and keep silent, unless you educate yourself in these matters.


Who betrayed all others.


Because of that treaty we can just sit there.
But we don't. YOU signed your damn treaty and YOU sit there doing nothing.
WE FIGHT. The war continues. With you or without.

And it was YOU, who didn't support the rest of Caldari, why would ANYONE turn to YOU?!


Yep, go kiss a frog, Agiri.
Really. Betraying your own people, this is so low.
Your ancestors will condemn you for eternity for what you have done.


If he would know what does Heiian mean, he would either drink his tea, or used his sword, to wash off his disgrace with his own blood.

And really, Agiri.
Don't answer to me unless you go study Caldari history. At least latest history for last five years.

Pieter, kirjuun, you're the only one of Pyre that I respect enough to debate this with.

A victim complex presupposes that the victim either did wrong, or is stretching past slights that have been resolved. The only ones resolving the harm done to us, especially at Malkalen, is us. No other Mega has stepped up and said "lets rebuild this", or offered any assistance whatsoever. Nor is this a long forgotten single slight, but a record of willful abuse that has become a fad for five years running. Your fellow pilots in Pyre are living proof that it just continues unabated, Pieter. They walk in here, and instead of asking about the opaque nature of these events, immediately accuse Ishukone of double dealing... While doing nothing to push Kaalakiota to go stake a claim... While forming alliances of convenience as they see fit... While asking for no drama... While causing drama. You're the only one of that bunch worth speaking to, suuolo, and that's damned sad.

If we really are one big victim complex for being tired of something that started five years ago, then what does that make the State as a whole, clinging to loss for two hundred? Nobody wants to think about that.

Further, on the issue of Kaalakiota and Oiritsuu, yes, it's true that Kaalakiota suffered. They chose their path that led to it, by the popularity of one man, on a whim. They didn't look at what lay ahead, instead choosing the path of least resistance. We received no sympathy for our choices, so I find it hard to drum up sympathy for them when, on top of that, they set upon us for choosing a more wary approach, after taking both the biggest risk, and the deepest wound, when it looked like the State was falling apart. As for Ouritsuu, yes, she was confined to her palace for the duration... Now she has back all she lost, and Kaalakiota is recovering. I can't hold that against them... But Gariushi is still gone, Malkalen is just now starting to be rebuilt (still with no help), and we're only just now looking at a slow recovery of our internal economy... Which we'll likely have the Federation to thank for, in terms of viable trade partners... Noirs home nation. Trust me, we won't be celebrating that, but it's the reality we're facing.

As for being more mainstream... Hakatain-haan said it best; did we miss some dogmatic conversion? The Okusaikan have ALWAYS been different, kirjuun. Why is it such a surprise that we remain so? I'd love nothing more than to set that all aside and really focus on mutual recovery, but how is an outsider supposed to come in when the dogs do nothing but snap at us when we approach? Saying we should be more mainstream when everyone but you professes their desire to drown us in the waters thereof, and their scorn for our very existence, exemplified by your own CEO's refusal to even use proper address with a fellow Caldari, is a far cry from encouragement for us to trust outside of our own ranks. There is no excuse, pun, or vodka soaked thought that makes it anything but a disrespectful, flippant act, performed by a self-loving hypocrite, mirrored by others because of popular opinion. Frankly, the trust, admiration, or even respect of such people isn't worth anything.

You know me, kirjuun. Our affiliations have never kept us from being close. We both know there is far more to people than corporate brands and stereotypes... We're the exception, though. And until that ceases to be the case, until it becomes less of a fashion statement to blame us for being us, nothing will change. If ever we can hold a hand out for the greater good, and not have it burned, it might surprise our naysayers what happens after.

As for you... I don't care if you're Kaalakiota. It's a singular honor to have come to know you, Pieter. And I know you understand that my thoughts here are a response, not an attack, to you. Anyone else, I don't care how they take it.

Well put, Hakatain-haan. Personally, I would neither suggest, or accept, a handout. A deal for mutual gain is another story.

Yup. As usual, others in this thread have more patience and interest in talking it out than I do.

Well said, Falken-haani and Hakatain-haan.

You're still going on about this?
If there'd be awards for blowing things out of proportions a lot of the participants in here would get brobdingnagian trophies to take home, the most majestic going to those who not just suggest but really believe that one of us can lobby successfully for a change on international or even national policy.