EVE General Discussion

Where did I state I wish to cause real harm to others?

And who cannot keep the game within the game? You´re the one being gleeful because as a RL person with weird tendencies, you´ve caused other people to get mad in front of their computers, possibly until the point where they get banned. You´re the one having trouble distinguishing game from reality, up to the point where you simply use this game as a rage-collecting app.


Oh, I see you´re cherrypicking. Let´s have the whole mail, shall we?

""I once got a picture of my house emailed to me after scamming someone"

:)

I wish this happened more often.

Your kind clearly can´t play a game as a game, and only use it to feel good about yourselves by making all sorts of efforts to make random people mad, in a goddamn video game. You bring your RL repressed sadism into a game, it´s only normal that there are RL consequences for it."


So, getting a picture emailed to you is akin to getting punished?

Also, what kind of scam was it? Must have been really mild, so that person went all this way to send a message.

Well, I wish griefers were reminded more often that they grief other RL people, not NPCs, and that aiming at making people mad IRL creates toxicity in the human community. Since they are absolutely unable to understand and feel it themselves, they have to be reminded of it. Some shocking and yet absolutely harmless realization such as the one you had might help.

You´re the one not keeping the game within the game, as your goals are to make people mad IRL, and you couldn´t care less for the ingame narrative.

I don't, and when you get to the age of 17 or so, you will realize that hating other folk who play a game differently to you is just silly.

Once again, where did I wish you or anyone RL harm?

And once again, you are not playing a game, when your only goals, to make people mad IRL, and possibly get them banned, are RL-oriented.

Are you blatantly lying and being verbally abusive in the hope that I lose my cool so you can report me and get me banned? That´s not very nice

Ice Belt spawn mechanics are still the problem. Specifically in high-sec.

They are too predictable and exploitable and conducive to ridicululous degree of multiboxing.

Though in other secs the static and periodic spawn can be explained and reasoned as an incentive for PvP by creating set arenas where predators know they can find their prey, in high sec the risks are altogether very low compared to the profits and "ease" of multiboxing them.

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I propose both of the following:

-Change Ice Belts to be sweeping random Anomaly spawns, similar to other Ore Anomalies.

This raises the threshold slightly for indiscriminate multiboxing. It carries an indirect incentive for both predtaor and prey, in that both now have to actively seek out the spawns. Though this would reduce the overall flow of Ice significantly, miners will still make the same rough profit from active participation due to higher demand from diminished supply. Sucks a bit for POS holders, but I think the supply can be kept fairly high by tweaking the parameters on how many ice belts there are spawned throughout high sec at any given time.

-Stratify the Belts. High sec belts with lower total yields, and geometrically increasing yields in ice towards null.

High-sec is too safe for the profit. By comparison to standard ore values, mining ice in high sec is roughly similar to mining Jaspet Anomalies, which are much rarer and harder to detect owing to their sweeping spawn (as well as them not being fully depleted, meaning they only despawn once their internal timer expires). Its well and fine for ice mining to be lucrative at lower secs, as so is the inherent risks. Those are game regions in which the mechanics of the game enable those spawns to actually function as PvP arenas, whereas in high sec the means for this are very limited for predators but the profit exactly the same as in other secs for the miners.

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Some people may be unaware of some of the facts of high sec ice multiboxing:

-My 1month old Ice Miner in a Retriever needs to mine 1.7hr/day inorder to PLEX itself.
A 2month old Mackinaw however can PLEX itself in 1hr/day.
Orca support reduces these times further, but more importantly, provides an an onsite offload point so as to not jave to waste time transitting back to station.
(Assuming 190k per unit, and a 660mil PLEX price)

The result?

With an optimum setup of 3 Mackinaws and an Orca, the players fleet can PLEX itself for roughly 1 hr of mining a day.
If this same fleet mines for 2hrs per day, it can PLEX 4 (FOUR) additional accounts, in addition to itself.

------That is 2.6Bil profit per month.------

I challenge anyone to name me any other highsec activity that can yield such profits per month, for 2hrs a day of gametime, with a total of 2mins actual activity once the fleet is at the (predictable location and timewise) Belts.

Anyone? No?

All of this in highsec, with very low risk (4 fleeted ships is a serious challenge for gankers), as well as gankers preferring easier targets of opportunity, with no need to transit the goods beyind the ice systems station, and a very low actitivy level (requiring roughly 15s of activity per 15min cycle to offload and retarget).
You know where the belts are, and you know when the belts spawn also.
Furthermore, Ice Mining ships are surprisingly cheap to fit (barrring the occassional lunatic who uses enormously expensive faction loot which shaves mere seconds off the yield times)

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This is the current status quo, owing to some key factors.
1) The insatiable demand for ice. Miners dont even need to move their Ice to hubs for sale, there is high demand BOs in place already with range covering the Ice Belt systems. Infact the Ice BOs in these systems are better than at hubs in most cases. Only Jaspet Anomalies and above can compete with the unprocessed price, but those need to be hauled to to hubs for that price, and remember that this is highsec, is only availavle from unpredictable and rare Ore Anomaly spawns.

2) Ice Mining requires a remarkably low level of activity. You know where the belts are, and you know when they spawn. As I said above, even with 4 accounts, we are talking about a mere 15s (at the outside) of activity per 15min cycle. This is a multiboxers dream come true and intrinsically enables this kind of behavior.

3) The risk in high sec is laughably small. Even if you lose a ship (which is very unlikely, owing to the proleferation of easier targets and the relatively small amount of gankers), it takes you only a few hours to recoup the cost and return to business as usual

4) Psychological limit: 1-2hrs is the most that most people can afford or stand per day to mine. This regulates the supply of ice indirectly. Belt limit: The Belts respawn every 4hrs after depletion, during which time, in some areas of space, it is possible to simply move the operation through hugh sec to another field, or retire the fleet till the next respawn in the safety of a station.

5) It is interesting to note, that PLEX and Ice price seem to be very inter-related, at the 1hr/day/month level.
Though the realtionship runs both ways, I think it is more than a coincidence. Infact I would go so far as to argue that the price of Ice (as a function of how much a multiboxer can yield in 1hr) dictates to a very substantial part the price of PLEX. Why? Because the multiboxers involved in harvesting the Ice constitute an enormous market for PLEX as well. Each one consumes atleast 4 PLEXs per month, PLUS their other accounts PLEXs!

It is very easy, very low risk, the profits are enormous once you pass the point of PLEXing the involved accounts, and due to the nature of current Belt spawn mechanics as well as the low level of activity required in Ice Mining, multiplicatively enabling of multiboxing.

Forgot to take your medication today? Missed a rage group therapy? Decided to make a Eve thread in staid....



Nobody hates miners, maybe 1 in 100 Eve players hate miners. But they probably hate everything and in real world are just cowards to express that.

Under the wise management of CCCP the miner grifing got to absurd proportions. In the last 2 years(you can check that on the eve markets sites) the price of ore double, the price of ships double. Do the math and you know where Eve will end.

You know why Eve is still running after 10 years? Because it has no completion, there isn't another game like that out there, at the moment. You know why it only has 20-30k players online over week and max 50k in weekend? Because CCCP does an abysmal job at managing the game. For them it's OK for 1 player to grief 20 trial payers until they quit. They put in the code of conduct that it's forbidden to do that and in the end they do nothing.

CCCP made another game DUST 514 that failed bad and will probably be stopped soon because, well, there are other FPS games out there and you can't manage games that have competion like you manage EVE.

Enjoy Eve while it lasts....

PS. Star Citizen isn't the only project in development out there...

I'm a miner. I enjoy mining, I enjoy the mindlessness of it after work and before bed. I'm also a guy who's been playing for about a month and a half. I made the mistake of brining my Retriever into low-sec (0.4) looking for Jaspet asteroids to mine. Needless to say, my ship didn't make it out. Was I mad...no, did I shed tears...no. I did try to start a conversation with the guy. I wanted to know, not why he killed me, but how he prevented me from warping out (figured that one out now), and what I could do to improve my odds of survival. Needless to say, I was ignored. I was told later on, that if I want to go into low-sec I should be in a procurer (and with a friend or three if possible). Live and learn...I bought a procurer which is now collecting dust as I'm back in high-sec recovering the lost Isk. For those saying that there is no risk mining in high-sec...there is. There is just more risk for you to come and try to kill us there. Is it fair...hell yes it is. I take a large risk going into low-sec, it's only fair for you to have a similar risk coming into high-sec. All in all...it's a game, don't get bent out of shape...it's just a game.

Great attitude.

Just be careful jumping back into lowsec on your own in a procurer too.

It'll make for a better kill mail for someone. You need to be able to defend yourself in lowsec or learn the skills to survive if you're on your own mining.

Good luck with it.

Methinks: all you need is love!

Then let me explain and maybe you get it. I like some parts of Eve and I don't like other pats. When I won't enjoy the game because the eve crap gets in the way I'll stop playing. Until then for example I decided not to spend anymore money on this game. If I'll get enough isk for a plex, good, if not then that's it. After all, Eve is technically a f2p game....

Because I avoid the rotten pats of Eve it doesn't mean I won't criticize this pats. For example miners are the base of the Eve economy, they do what I consider a very boring activity and what do they get in return? They are the target of griefers because in CCP's view it's ok for 2 players to have fun at the expense of a 10 miners.

I wonder if there is a survey about why players quit their trail or quit after 1 month. Some heads might roll in CCP hq.