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Why do we hate miners so much?

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2014-03-20 03:08:13 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Tear Jar wrote:
Actually, we could get all our ore from reprocessing.

Reprocessing what, exactly?

Things have to be built before you can reprocess them and nothing can be built without first mining the materials.


1. Meta drops from npcs

2. Ships and modules purchased with LP.

Most things produced from LP require having the meta 0 version. That said, if mineral influx was reduced to loot reprocessing, the resulting increase in prices of minerals compared to static PvE incomes and the affect on the costs of items would be a fun effect to witness.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#122 - 2014-03-20 03:24:46 UTC
How does OP live with himself when other people can kill him on the inside without ever taking a shot? Thats some real sick ****. Like he can be moved to tears sickness and soul wounding by just undocking a barge? Woot :) Whos problem is this?

See a shrink OP.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#123 - 2014-03-20 03:27:27 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
Who are "we?" Sounds like it's just you.


It all started when he began talking to himself... I blame a lack of friends.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Liez Onerbak
Norse'Storm Battle Group
#124 - 2014-03-20 05:07:18 UTC
OP is obvious troll Shocked
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#125 - 2014-03-20 05:22:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
One possibility is it emerges from insecurity amongst Eve PvPers.

Afterall we are continually told by FPS players that its not "real" PvP if the ships auto-aim and by combat flight-simmers it's not "real" flying if manual piloting involves clicking randomly at a blank spot on the screen and you do not even need a joystick and can just fly with mouse clicks.

Add to this all the allegations that EVE is just "spreadsheets in space" and a sort of slow moving tactical naval battleship game that is about exciting as watching grass grow at 10% TIDI.

Its no wonder people want to log on and blow stuff up.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#126 - 2014-03-20 05:45:39 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
One possibility is it emerges from insecurity amongst Eve PvPers.

Afterall we are continually told by FPS players that its not "real" PvP if the ships auto-aim and by combat flight-simmers it's not "real" flying if manual piloting involves clicking randomly at a blank spot on the screen and you do not even need a joystick and can just fly with mouse clicks.

Add to this all the allegations that EVE is just "spreadsheets in space" and a sort of slow moving tactical naval battleship game that is about exciting as watching grass grow at 10% TIDI.

Its no wonder people want to log on and blow stuff up.


From my point of view, as a former Ultima Online player, I am quite simply tired of being told that the way I play the game isn't valid. I'm even more sick of change being made to that effect. *cough Trammel cough* The crying to cause those changes coming from pretty much the same category of people in both games, we call them carebears now.

EVE is my game. They have other games for people like that. Hell, damn near EVERY OTHER GAME is for people like that. Leave me my game, and stop trying to make it like everything else. They're not trying to make it "better", they're trying to make it better for them.

And Trammel killed Ultima Online.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2014-03-20 07:06:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Mandarine
Helicity Boson wrote:
Ismol Mond wrote:

However, you will always be you and until you realize how beautiful you are you will seethe with hatred, and envy those psychology well-adjusted folks who mine in EVE.


You realize that these are exactly the people who send me real life death threats at my home address when I run Hulkageddon, right?


In order to state that miners are crazy antisocial types, and possibly get some banned -because let´s face it, for you people, EvE is won when carebears leave the game, forcibly or not- isn´t it precisely the reaction you´re looking for, and have honed your meta towards the maximizing of? Job well done.


Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I don't hate miners.

I do, however, hate bad attitudes, and game mechanics that enable them.


You mean, seeking to make people mad IRL, and relishing the though of your RL self being the cause of the RL rage of some unknown dude, thereby using this game as a Schadenfreude app generator, and caring little, if at all, for the ingame narrative and characters who should drive it?

Also, heavy alt usage and recycling, that allows easy scams or ganks with zero possibility of consequences towards your main character(s), therefore fueling the rage of gankees/scammees, who cannot enact revenge upon said main character(s), and rage like crazy?

I agree.


And kudos for getting UO trammelized by cheesing the mechanics. It´s really a good thing to abuse freedom until the point where freedom has to be severely limited.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2014-03-20 07:16:31 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
I can see the fun in ganking a miner once or twice. It's a game and blowing someone up for literally no reason is what games are about. If you find suicide ganking fun because you actually have fun doing it. Then by all means blow up miners to your hearts content!

Tears are honestly only fun to extract when it's someone who actually has it coming. The ****-talker in local, the guy who tried to scam you, the forum troll. But the miner? Why bother? Suicide ganking someone just to get an emotional reaction is where you cross the line from games to reality. That makes you a ****. If suicide ganking is fun because you ruin another person's day, then you are a pretty horrible person.


Personally, I view suicide ganking as a necessary evil. I tried peacefully enforcing the Code, but miners just ignored me. I tried bumping, but that just made them angry.

Suicide ganking is the only effective means I have found to enforce the Code.

well. it's ok for kids: when noone plays with you you become angry and try to force them to do it.

Don't be mad: if you will work on yourself people will start to actually respect you. But you should work hard. It means no stupid codes or anything but working on your social skills. Make YOURSELF interesting to play with. It's easy.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#129 - 2014-03-20 07:18:19 UTC
Mandarine wrote:


Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I don't hate miners.

I do, however, hate bad attitudes, and game mechanics that enable them.


You mean, seeking to make people mad IRL, and relishing the though of your RL self being the cause of the RL rage of some unknown dude, thereby using this game as a Schadenfreude app generator, and caring little, if at all, for the ingame narrative and characters who should drive it?

Also, heavy alt usage and recycling, that allows easy scams or ganks with zero possibility of consequences towards your main character(s), therefore fueling the rage of gankees/scammees, who cannot enact revenge upon said main character(s), and rage like crazy?

I agree.


And kudos for getting UO trammelized by cheesing the mechanics. It´s really a good thing to abuse freedom until the point where freedom has to be severely limited.


Considering you are on record as suggesting that you would be happy if someone found and killed me and my family in real life based on my actions in the game, you do not get to dictate morality or ethics to anyone.

And alt recycling with negative sec status is an exploit, so if you have evidence of it, submit a ticket. Otherwise shut it, falsely accusing people of exploits is reportable as it turns out.

Oh, and did you even play UO? That game was paradise, people even managed to kill the game's creator during a live event for goodness sakes. Their company sacrificed what was good and pure about their game, player freedom, at the pagan altar of "mainstream", and like almost all else after them, died for it.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2014-03-20 07:37:59 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Considering you are on record as suggesting that you would be happy if someone found and killed me and my family in real life based on my actions in the game, you do not get to dictate morality or ethics to anyone.


Really? Could you please copy and paste those sentences of mine, so that everyone can witness how much of a sociopathic violent person I am?


Alt recycling doesn´t even need a normal account you know. Trial ones work just as well. Is it hard to create junk mail and assign them to those?


And as for UO, everybody who was playing MMOs at the time knows fully well that the minority of griefers made the game absolutely unfun for the rest of the playerbase, were ruining it and were taking pride in it. So, it´s the griefers´attitude that forced the trammelization, lest nobody played it.


Would you care to discuss more points to get proven wrong time and time again?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#131 - 2014-03-20 07:40:03 UTC
Honestly, I'm surprised you weren't given a vacation for that, you slimeball.

I can't even muster the slightest bit of respect for someone who can't keep the game within the game. For you? Even less. It's honestly pathetic.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#132 - 2014-03-20 07:54:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Mandarine
The discussion of what we are speaking about is forbidden. Let´s just say the end result would make you quite irate.

As for keeping the game within the game, your kind is obviously the one having problems with that. You are absolutely unable of play pretending being a character in a fictional universe: you will go out of your way, exploit, meta and cheese to make other gamers mad IRL. Ingame narrative is absolutely irrelevant for you. You only care if the receiving end of your actions, the person playing, gets in a rage, and possibly expresses it in a verbally violent way, so you can report him and possibly get him banned. You win the game when people leave it because of you.

You´re using online video games to act out your repressed RL sadistic tendencies, and aim at making other gamers mad IRL. The characters you use for this end, or the characters you gank/scam, are completely irrelevant. The only people that matter are your RL self, who takes pleasure in being the source of other RL persons distress, and those RL raging people. All this behind the safe cover of an online game.

So, who´s confusing real life and ingame universes?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#133 - 2014-03-20 07:57:56 UTC
Quote:
As for keeping the game within the game, your kind is obviously the one having problems with that.


No, because I am actually playing the game.

You, on the other hand, suggest that I should face "punishment" or "consequences" because of actions taken within the game.

You are in the wrong here, unequivocally.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2014-03-20 08:06:22 UTC
I merely say that you seek out-of-game results in others for your ingame actions. Why are you even complaining about out-of-game happenings?

You are not playing the game when you´re using it as an online app to make people mad IRL, since you disregard ingame narratives and characters, and only aim at making players rage, and perhaps banned.



Oxide Ammar
#135 - 2014-03-20 08:07:12 UTC
People hate miners because they consider mining a passive play with no interaction at all with rest of players in game, simply interactive players (especially PvP Players) prefer these miners to be a cannon fodders either by fighting along side with them or against them rather than this stale kind of play miners do.

Lady Areola Fappington:  Solo PVP isn't dead!  You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#136 - 2014-03-20 08:07:47 UTC
Oh, and one more thing.

You don't get to foist off your candyass overblown emotional reactions to losing at a videogame on me. You, and you alone, are responsible for your emotions.

It's childish to flip over the checkerboard if you lose, it's childish to stomp out of the room if you don't win at Monopoly, and it's childish to pitch a giant fit about losing a ship in EVE Online.

Their reactions are their problem, not mine. And suggesting that I be "punished" for knocking over the giant chip on their shoulders is honestly one of the more disgusting things I've ever encountered on the internet.

You're completely morally bankrupt.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Esha Ditrix
#137 - 2014-03-20 08:11:53 UTC
ignorance and self-importance

/thread

Its not an exploit, if the game lets you do it...

Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#138 - 2014-03-20 08:18:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Mandarine
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Oh, and one more thing.

You don't get to foist off your candyass overblown emotional reactions to losing at a videogame on me. You, and you alone, are responsible for your emotions.

It's childish to flip over the checkerboard if you lose, it's childish to stomp out of the room if you don't win at Monopoly, and it's childish to pitch a giant fit about losing a ship in EVE Online.

Their reactions are their problem, not mine. And suggesting that I be "punished" for knocking over the giant chip on their shoulders is honestly one of the more disgusting things I've ever encountered on the internet.

You're completely morally bankrupt.


That´s hilariously ironic as those very overblown emotional reactions are precisely the thing you crave to cause and witness,as it´s probably the only way you can relate to others, just like Salvos Rhoska: you feel alive when you see people suffering. It has to do with emotional carapace, traumas and the inabiltiy to feel and communicate in a healthy way. To make it short: you should be undergoing therapy, and not take it out on others in a video game.

Could be worse thought. Repressed sadists do it online, declared ones do it IRL.


Also, where did I suggest you should be punished?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#139 - 2014-03-20 08:23:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Mandarine wrote:
That´s hilariously ironic as those very overblown emotional reactions are precisely the thing you crave to cause and witness. It has to do with emotional carapace, traumas and the inabiltiy to feel and communicate in a healthy way. To make it short: you should be undergoing therapy, and not take it out on others in a video game.

Could be worse thought. Repressed sadists do it online, declared ones do it IRL.


Your desperate need to infer something that pretty much isn't there is very telling of how much you delight in playing the victim.

Free tip, irl-threatening scumbag. This is a game. There are no "victims", by definition. You've chosen to play the game, by the game's rules. Anything that happens to you within the purview of those rules is fair play.

And the inability to accept that, combined with the desire to cause real harm to others as a result of your own inability to cope with any form of loss, is quite the pathology. If you can't keep the game within the game, you should quit immediately, for the sake of all the real players out there, so that one of them doesn't trip over your feelings and wind up really being hurt by you.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#140 - 2014-03-20 08:25:42 UTC
Mandarine wrote:

Also, where did I suggest you should be punished?


The part where the evemail you sent me quoted my statement of having been stalked in real life by someone from a video game, and then said:

" :) I wish this happened more often." and then "it's only natural that there are IRL consequences".

You are a sorry piece of ****.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.