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Why do we hate miners so much?

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Winchester Steele
#81 - 2014-03-19 22:19:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Winchester Steele
Ismol Mond wrote:
Miners are like that little skinny kid in school whose pant cuffs are too high, whose hair always sticks up and everyone makes fun of because they know he won't or can't do anything about it (ignoring for etiquette's sake recent violent counter-examples).
So, OP what you see in the miner is your own insecurity about yourself. You see yourself as a vulnerable, funny looking kid and you hate that about yourself. When you gank that little fella you're really trying to kill that part of you that you are afraid of and that you hate. In effect you are trying to kill yourself.
However, you will always be you and until you realize how beautiful you are you will seethe with hatred, and envy those psychology well-adjusted folks who mine in EVE.



What in the seven hells are you blathering on about? Can someone translate this, I don't speak sperg.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#82 - 2014-03-19 22:20:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Ismol Mond wrote:
Miners are like that little skinny kid in school whose pant cuffs are too high, whose hair always sticks up and everyone makes fun of because they know he won't or can't do anything about it (ignoring for etiquette's sake recent violent counter-examples).
So, OP what you see in the miner is your own insecurity about yourself. You see yourself as a vulnerable, funny looking kid and you hate that about yourself. When you gank that little fella you're really trying to kill that part of you that you are afraid of and that you hate. In effect you are trying to kill yourself.
However, you will always be you and until you realize how beautiful you are you will seethe with hatred, and envy those psychology well-adjusted folks who mine in EVE.
Wow.

Helicity Boson wrote:
You realize that these are exactly the people who send me real life death threats at my home address when I run Hulkageddon, right?
According to some that's a totally justifiable response to the explosion of their internet spaceships, because if you do bad things in a game then you're a bad person IRL and deserve everything you get. I call them morons who can't separate reality from fantasy.

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2014-03-19 22:23:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
I'm on both sides of the spectrum.

On one hand, miners don't impact EVE very much. I can't imagine people come to the game to start mining. It's probably something they pick up once they get here. In addition, can you name a famous miner? I certainly can't. Meanwhile the list of famous combat pilots goes on and on. Miners just don't do anything. Sure, they pump minerals into the market that are key to industry, but if all of them were to disappear suddenly, NPCs would replace them like they never left.

Then there comes to the actual human side of things. So what if someone is spending their money to mine? So what if they are having fun doing something that you find boring? What I like about miners is that they keep to themselves. Generally, they won't bother you unless you start bothering them. Someone mining ice all day doesn't hurt my game experience. Most days, I don't even see a miner. They're too busy mining.

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Winchester Steele
#84 - 2014-03-19 22:27:32 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
I'm on both sides of the spectrum.

On one hand, miners don't impact EVE very much. I can't imagine people come to the game to start mining. It's probably something they pick up once they get here. In addition, can you name a famous miner? I certainly can't. Meanwhile the list of famous combat pilots goes on and on. Miners just don't do anything. Sure, they pump minerals into the market that are key to industry, but if all of them were to disappear suddenly, NPCs would replace them like they never left.

Then there comes to the actual human side of things. So what if someone is spending their money to mine? So what if they are having fun doing something that you find boring? What I like about miners is that they keep to themselves. Generally, they won't bother you unless you start bothering them. Someone mining ice all day doesn't hurt my game experience. Most days, I don't even see a miner. They're too busy mining.




Chribba.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#85 - 2014-03-19 22:28:13 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
Chribba.
Veld for the Veld God.

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Gallente Federation
#86 - 2014-03-19 22:31:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
I can see the fun in ganking a miner once or twice. It's a game and blowing someone up for literally no reason is what games are about. If you find suicide ganking fun because you actually have fun doing it. Then by all means blow up miners to your hearts content!

Tears are honestly only fun to extract when it's someone who actually has it coming. The ****-talker in local, the guy who tried to scam you, the forum troll. But the miner? Why bother? Suicide ganking someone just to get an emotional reaction is where you cross the line from games to reality. That makes you a ****. If suicide ganking is fun because you ruin another person's day, then you are a pretty horrible person.

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Ismol Mond
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2014-03-19 22:34:26 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ismol Mond wrote:
Miners are like that little skinny kid in school whose pant cuffs are too high, whose hair always sticks up and everyone makes fun of because they know he won't or can't do anything about it (ignoring for etiquette's sake recent violent counter-examples).
So, OP what you see in the miner is your own insecurity about yourself. You see yourself as a vulnerable, funny looking kid and you hate that about yourself. When you gank that little fella you're really trying to kill that part of you that you are afraid of and that you hate. In effect you are trying to kill yourself.
However, you will always be you and until you realize how beautiful you are you will seethe with hatred, and envy those psychology well-adjusted folks who mine in EVE.
Wow.

Helicity Boson wrote:
You realize that these are exactly the people who send me real life death threats at my home address when I run Hulkageddon, right?
According to some that's a totally justifiable response to the explosion of their internet spaceships, because if you do bad things in a game then you're a bad person IRL and deserve everything you get. I call them morons who can't separate reality from fantasy.


Addendum:
Miner killers should not take this too personal as it was mostly tongue-in-cheek (isn't everything in EVE?) and aimed at the OP.
And even I, who doesn't mine very often but if a miner presents a juicy target may try and kill it, may stand accused of my own hyperbole.
Still if the shoe fits.
Winchester Steele
#88 - 2014-03-19 22:37:59 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
I can see the fun in ganking a miner once or twice. It's a game and blowing someone up for literally no reason is what games are about. If you find suicide ganking fun because you actually have fun doing it. Then by all means blow up miners to your hearts content!

Tears are honestly only fun to extract when it's someone who actually has it coming. The ****-talker in local, the guy who tried to scam you, the forum troll. But the miner? Why bother? Suicide ganking someone just to get an emotional reaction is where you cross the line from games to reality. That makes you a ****. If suicide ganking is fun because you ruin another person's day, then you are a pretty horrible person.



Says you.

"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" - CCP Solomon.

Even if you had a point (which you don't lol) it would seem that CCP isn't too concerned about it.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2014-03-19 22:40:32 UTC
obligatory post even though I have read nothing in this thread not even the original post :D


I like miners and am even happy for people to AFK multibox while mining because it keeps my mat costs down and as a result I make billions more than I would otherwise :D
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2014-03-19 22:44:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Winchester Steele wrote:

Says you.

"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" - CCP Solomon.

Even if you had a point (which you don't lol) it would seem that CCP isn't too concerned about it.


Gotta love it when people quote out of context because they think it helps their case.

And honestly they shouldn't be concerned about it. Douchebaggery happens in every game. It shouldn't be the concern of the developers. It's an issue purely limited to the community and the playerbase, and it's up to them to decide which direction they want to go with it.

EDIT: I would honestly be extremely upset with CCP if they started to try and crack down on "tear collecting". The only thing worse than not caring is caring too much. The last thing I want is to get temporarily banned because some jackass told CCP I was griefing him for say, killing him twice within an hour.

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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#91 - 2014-03-19 22:58:23 UTC
Miners in EVE are like the catchers in certain types of relationships.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#92 - 2014-03-19 23:03:21 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Miners in EVE are like the catchers in certain types of relationships.


I thought they were like pokemon - gotta kill 'em all*.






* except for code-compliant miners in possession of a valid mining indulgance.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#93 - 2014-03-19 23:26:15 UTC
Miners?

Who hates miners?

Natural progression says that your miner of today could possibly be your "Let's fit all teh modz!!!!" mission runner of the future.

And that is a lucrative possibility indeed!!!

As for miners, or any other player in the game for that matter, I am kind and polite.

Perhaps a little smug and smartassed. But still kind and polite.

So what that I gank them from time to time? I assure you, I have done worse things in EvE.

I am sure there are miners out there building barges that applaud my efforts, as yet another Retriever or Mack goes pop and a few more isk trickles into their pockets. Or other miners in belts and anomalies that giggle to themselves when they watch a barge go, thinking to themselves, "Meh, more space rocks for me!!!"

And it is especially bad when Chribba has to pop in the thread to chastise you for being racist to a specific sub-section of the community.

For shame, OP, for shame. You should embrace your enemies for providing consistent targets and content for you. C'mon.

Roll

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Winchester Steele
#94 - 2014-03-19 23:27:21 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:

Says you.

"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" - CCP Solomon.

Even if you had a point (which you don't lol) it would seem that CCP isn't too concerned about it.


Gotta love it when people quote out of context because they think it helps their case.

And honestly they shouldn't be concerned about it. Douchebaggery happens in every game. It shouldn't be the concern of the developers. It's an issue purely limited to the community and the playerbase, and it's up to them to decide which direction they want to go with it.

EDIT: I would honestly be extremely upset with CCP if they started to try and crack down on "tear collecting". The only thing worse than not caring is caring too much. The last thing I want is to get temporarily banned because some jackass told CCP I was griefing him for say, killing him twice within an hour.



How is it out of context?? Considering that quote came from a discussion directly related to f#cking with miners, I think it is exactly in context. I thought it even more apropos because CCP Solomon used your exact turn of phrase (you know, the thing you said made us bad ppl IRL?) and indicated that it was a cornerstone of Eve gameplay.

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#95 - 2014-03-19 23:40:00 UTC
Maybe we can start a "Why do we hate « insert here » so much?" thread next... Honestly, who cares. I'm just glad people are playing EVE...

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2014-03-19 23:40:27 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
According to some that's a totally justifiable response to the explosion of their internet spaceships, because if you do bad things in a game then you're a bad person IRL and deserve everything you get. I call them morons who can't separate reality from fantasy.



That is not what recent psychological studies are showing. An interesting recent report in Psychological Science indicated that role playing an evil (or good) character online effects real life behavior and that “People are prone to be unaware of the influence of their virtual representations on their behavioral responses.” Basically playing an evil character online does effect your responses in real life ... but you will be unaware of it and deny it and get upset if someone else points it out to you.
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
#97 - 2014-03-19 23:43:45 UTC
Helicity Boson wrote:
Avaelica Kuershin wrote:
I don't hate miners. I sometimes mine but what I have noticed is miners who mine undefended. Are they just wanting to be blown up?


I've been pointing this out for years now. I've caused thousands and thousands (literally) of them to die to my Hulkageddon events. I've caused over a trillion and a half in damages to miners alone in this fashion.


...and they still sit AFK in a belt in an untanked mining barge

At this point I believe the answer to your question to be: "yes, yes they do."

To repost an image from Hulkageddon II: http://hulkageddon.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/propaganda.jpg



Or maybe we just accept the risk of being blown up and accept it as being part of the game, you know, like when pvp'ers go out on a roam and accept they might just be blown up.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#98 - 2014-03-19 23:51:21 UTC
People justify their actions through negative comparison with alternatives. It feeds ego and thus makes them happy.

In reality a weak believe of "doing the right thing" requires that negative or downward comparison the most to sustain itself. Which means the bigger the hate, the lesser the belief of the opposite is true.

In normal words; if you don't care about mining, you wont hate it. In EVE words; a "real" PVP-er wont care about mining because it isn't something he/she does, let alone care about it.

I wouldn't worry about people who hate miners. Just go about your own business.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2014-03-19 23:51:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Arancar Australis wrote:
Helicity Boson wrote:
Avaelica Kuershin wrote:
I don't hate miners. I sometimes mine but what I have noticed is miners who mine undefended. Are they just wanting to be blown up?


I've been pointing this out for years now. I've caused thousands and thousands (literally) of them to die to my Hulkageddon events. I've caused over a trillion and a half in damages to miners alone in this fashion.


...and they still sit AFK in a belt in an untanked mining barge

At this point I believe the answer to your question to be: "yes, yes they do."

To repost an image from Hulkageddon II: http://hulkageddon.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/propaganda.jpg



Or maybe we just accept the risk of being blown up and accept it as being part of the game, you know, like when pvp'ers go out on a roam and accept they might just be blown up.


You would actually have to get blown up an awful lot to lose money.

I do not mine, doesn't pay enuf, but seems to me a venture pays for itself in an hour of mining, a barge in a couple. I assume even an exhumer will recoup its investment price in a night or two.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#100 - 2014-03-19 23:51:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
According to some that's a totally justifiable response to the explosion of their internet spaceships, because if you do bad things in a game then you're a bad person IRL and deserve everything you get. I call them morons who can't separate reality from fantasy.



That is not what recent psychological studies are showing. An interesting recent report in Psychological Science indicated that role playing an evil (or good) character online effects real life behavior and that “People are prone to be unaware of the influence of their virtual representations on their behavioral responses.” Basically playing an evil character online does effect your responses in real life ... but you will be unaware of it and deny it and get upset if someone else points it out to you.
If you're going to refer to studies at least post links to them, I presume it's this one. For every study out there that claims what you say there is another study claiming the exact opposite. Most of them are tabloid fodder with little relevance to pretty much anything.

As for the study in question, if it's the one I've linked, the title contains the word may not indicates, and pretty much all it proved was that some people think it's funny to feed their friends chilli sauce instead of chocolate sauce. They're right, it is amusing, especially when it's not you getting the chilli sauce.

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