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Kyperion
#21 - 2014-03-20 06:06:02 UTC
Tarojan wrote:
Patch 3.0 Thermopylae

Under continued assault from the sanshas, the empires have been weakened and are fallen back. Concord has withdrawn into "true sec" a grouping of 0.9-1.0 systems surrounding the tutorial hubs and is no longer present elsewhere in highsec as their manpower is stretched beyond breaking point. While faction police forces still patrol the gates of highsec and will enforce the law against criminals capsulers are advised to look to their own defenses. In response to these increased dangers manufactors of civilian shipping are increasing the defenses of the ships they build.

patch notes:
Freighters and industrials are now immune to warp disruption. Freighters now have increased defenses and will require a significant number of attackers to bring down.
Mining barges have expanded drone bays for self defense purposes and increased ehps.

pve players are urged to group up for their own protection and to encourage this the way missions are accepted, run and turned in has been altered such that it can and should be done in fleets with npcs/rewards being adjusted for the number of fleet members.



I have a dream, that I meet many a ganker while playing EVE Valkyrie...

cannot wait to REALLY pilot a ship in New Eden.
Kyperion
#22 - 2014-03-20 06:08:42 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
Real Serious PVPer wrote:
The day concord retires is the day I'll have to step in and keep order.



We already have a Supreme Protector, sorry. Maybe you should challenge him to a duel for supremacy of Hi-Sec though? Assuming that you can pass the trials three, of course.


I was out of the loop for a while, has anyone ever passed the trials three?



I don't give a **** about riddles or trials, but I'll put out an open challenge to all New Order takers when Valkyrie comes out. (assuming I can get my hands on Morpheus)

Prepare thyselves TwistedPirateCool
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#23 - 2014-03-20 06:33:51 UTC
Wouldn't a new distraction cause highsec miners to be more afk?

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#24 - 2014-03-20 06:35:41 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Wouldn't a new distraction cause highsec miners to be more afk?


Conversely, depending on how long a match of Valkyrie takes, one could use it to wait out the criminal flag timer in between ganks.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Real Serious PVPer
Doomheim
#25 - 2014-03-20 14:24:39 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
Real Serious PVPer wrote:
The day concord retires is the day I'll have to step in and keep order.



We already have a Supreme Protector, sorry. Maybe you should challenge him to a duel for supremacy of Hi-Sec though? Assuming that you can pass the trials three, of course.


I was out of the loop for a while, has anyone ever passed the trials three?



I don't give a **** about riddles or trials, but I'll put out an open challenge to all New Order takers when Valkyrie comes out. (assuming I can get my hands on Morpheus)

Prepare thyselves TwistedPirateCool


At last, a challenger worth fighting. my long and fruitless solo roams through lo sec and null sec that end in everyone docking up is coming to an end. I shall meet you in the space of New Order where we will engage in mortal combat. If you win, then you too, shall be known as a Real Serious PVPer. A coveted title that is only bestowed to an extremely select number.

[b] Serious about being serious- Putting the "P "into PVP one fight at a time.  MUFC[/b]
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#26 - 2014-03-20 19:39:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Tarojan wrote:
Black Locust wrote:
Why cant people just say "I want more easy targets" and be done with it?


Because thats not what this is about? The current situation (ie concord) is based around ganking miners, haulers, newbies and mission runners.

Newbies and mission runners are often tricked into allowing a pvp ship to engage their pve ship due to poor understanding of the aggression mechanics. That makes them free loot and people cant assist them against the ganker due to concord.

Miners and haulers are being ganked (as well as bling fit mission boats) when a combination of too high value cargo for the tank they have equipped makes the gank profitable. That I have no problem with and nor does any other intelligent player I have spoken to yet. Its simple piracy and easily handled by tanking your ship properly. What has changed though is that a certain part of the high sec pvp community has stopped ganking for profit and has started ganking for giggles, ie no longer piracy but arguably griefing. Using dessies to suicide gank newbies in ventures/rookie ships/shuttles and dropping tornados on empty badgers (tank fit or not) can carry no expectation of profit.


However hilarious it is to read the tears, the naivety of the victims (you cant do this!) and their self entitlement (you cant do this to ME! CCP change the game!!!1), I have to recognise that:
a) one day Im going to get 2 tornados dropped on my tanky badger carrying its "4 large crates of polytextiles" and fail my mission
b) it will be done purely because someone wants to see me blow up
c) theres nothing I can do about it.

I have no problem with A and B, I would like to do something about C. Concord cant defend me. I would like the option of defending myself


FFS ... mission flipping does not equal ganking. Mission runners have to choose to engage a suspect in their mission pocket - they are not free loot. That criminal has flagged themselves as a target of opportunity - KEY WORD... OPPORTUNITY - the lost ISK from stolen loot will almost always be negligible compared to the cost of replacing a ship. Mission flippers use a lack of knowledge about game mechanics and social engineering to bait mission runners into aggression.

Thank me later :D
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#27 - 2014-03-21 07:28:17 UTC
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
Tarojan wrote:
Black Locust wrote:
Why cant people just say "I want more easy targets" and be done with it?


Because thats not what this is about? The current situation (ie concord) is based around ganking miners, haulers, newbies and mission runners.

Newbies and mission runners are often tricked into allowing a pvp ship to engage their pve ship due to poor understanding of the aggression mechanics. That makes them free loot and people cant assist them against the ganker due to concord.


FFS ... mission flipping does not equal ganking. Mission runners have to choose to engage a suspect in their mission pocket - they are not free loot. That criminal has flagged themselves as a target of opportunity - KEY WORD... OPPORTUNITY - the lost ISK from stolen loot will almost always be negligible compared to the cost of replacing a ship. Mission flippers use a lack of knowledge about game mechanics and social engineering to bait mission runners into aggression.


Thats what I said Jamwara. Can flippers bait and kill mission runners who dont understand the rules. I have no problem with this. What I have a problem with is I cant practically help them short of suicide ganking the can flipper.

Will gank for food
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#28 - 2014-03-21 07:35:33 UTC
Tarojan wrote:
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
Tarojan wrote:
Black Locust wrote:
Why cant people just say "I want more easy targets" and be done with it?


Because thats not what this is about? The current situation (ie concord) is based around ganking miners, haulers, newbies and mission runners.

Newbies and mission runners are often tricked into allowing a pvp ship to engage their pve ship due to poor understanding of the aggression mechanics. That makes them free loot and people cant assist them against the ganker due to concord.


FFS ... mission flipping does not equal ganking. Mission runners have to choose to engage a suspect in their mission pocket - they are not free loot. That criminal has flagged themselves as a target of opportunity - KEY WORD... OPPORTUNITY - the lost ISK from stolen loot will almost always be negligible compared to the cost of replacing a ship. Mission flippers use a lack of knowledge about game mechanics and social engineering to bait mission runners into aggression.


Thats what I said Jamwara. Can flippers bait and kill mission runners who dont understand the rules. I have no problem with this. What I have a problem with is I cant practically help them short of suicide ganking the can flipper.


Are you kidding? If they actually flipped a can, they're suspect flagged, you can fire freely on them in highsec.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kiryen O'Bannon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2014-03-21 19:36:00 UTC
Which is why you blue all your wrecks as soon as someone warps in.

Eternal Father, King of birth, /Who didst create the heaven and earth, /And bid the planets and the sun/ Their own appointed orbits run; /O hear us when we seek thy grace /For those who soar through outer space.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#30 - 2014-03-21 19:50:43 UTC
CONCORD did more to ruin this game than anything else CCP has added before or since. Faction police should be enough, let people fight the police, but have proper escalation to combat ZOMBIES.

Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.

I invented Tiericide
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#31 - 2014-04-03 06:34:38 UTC
http://everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/sweet-vindication-in-inaya.html

This is exactly what every carebear who agrees with me about the game is talking about. This right here, this little tale of a high sec pirate with a superior knowledge of game mechanics using concord and kill rights to (ab)use and enable himself to kill helpless carebears.

Im not asking for "safe". I'm not asking for a pve server. I'm not even asking for a level playing field: pve gear SHOULD be at a disadvantage in a pvp fight against pvp gear. (thats why I quit wow btw). I'm asking for a fighting chance.

My dream is the removal of concord for its "safety" is a lie...

Will gank for food
Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
#32 - 2014-04-03 08:54:20 UTC
Real Serious PVPer wrote:
The day concord retires is the day I'll have to step in and keep order.


You can get in line behind Cannibal Kane and Chuck Norris.

"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
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