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The price of heresy

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Anslo
Scope Works
#421 - 2014-12-09 21:23:11 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Anslo wrote:
>implying you're all not knobs

ayyyy

Now that's funny coming from you ye feckless gobshite Big smile


Get a load of this diaper devastated oompa loompa.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#422 - 2014-12-09 21:24:40 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

I do think part of being a nice guy is giving some tough love to failfitters.

I happen to think a much larger part of being a nice guy is not being a massive anus about people who know less about the game than you do,


but that's just me.
Anslo
Scope Works
#423 - 2014-12-09 21:26:29 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

I do think part of being a nice guy is giving some tough love to failfitters.

I happen to think a much larger part of being a nice guy is not being a massive anus about people who know less about the game than you do,


but that's just me.

Holy **** and killing them in the name of ~God~ , trolling the ever loving **** out of them, and posting their loss and chat to a blog to name and shame ISN'T being a massive anus?

Muh sides

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#424 - 2014-12-09 21:27:45 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

I do think part of being a nice guy is giving some tough love to failfitters.

I happen to think a much larger part of being a nice guy is not being a massive anus about people who know less about the game than you do,


but that's just me.

Holy **** and killing them in the name of ~God~ , trolling the ever loving **** out of them, and posting their loss and chat to a blog to name and shame ISN'T being a massive anus?

Muh sides


+1 lol. These guys are straight out of Hello Kitty Online.
Anslo
Scope Works
#425 - 2014-12-09 21:29:48 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

I do think part of being a nice guy is giving some tough love to failfitters.

I happen to think a much larger part of being a nice guy is not being a massive anus about people who know less about the game than you do,


but that's just me.

Holy **** and killing them in the name of ~God~ , trolling the ever loving **** out of them, and posting their loss and chat to a blog to name and shame ISN'T being a massive anus?

Muh sides


+1 lol. These guys are straight out of Hello Kitty Online.

HOLYSHITSENPAINOTICEDMEOHGODOHGOD

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#426 - 2014-12-09 21:52:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Some hilarious hypocrisy going on here. Regardless of where you play in EvE or how you play, you are inherently bending someone else over, someone less skilled, less aware of mechanics, prices, etc. Whether its us dunking carebears, or a null super fleet dunking a less capable sub-cap fleet, its all relative, so cram that holier-than-thou up arse please, there is no bushido in EvE, everyone is f#cking someone else's chicken...

Secondly, we freely admit that we are asshat pirates getting our jollies by making things explode. On the flipside we try to recruit those victim's into corp and train them how to escape a life of PVE drudgery themselves, a metamorphosis they may have never undertaken otherwise if not confronted with our non-consensual splooging to interrupt their 100% safe hisec fappery.

The blog? Not only provides delicious content for many of it's readers, but education for those not-sploded, who can learn by others mistakes without making them themselves. A better tutorial system if you will, and one much needed, if only every player new to EvE read that blog (and this thread) in its entirety, enlightenment would happen prior to losing 3b fail-fit pimp mobile.

In closing, I would like to quote Col. Jessup:

"Son, we live in a (game) that has walls, and those walls have to be (torn down) by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You (Anslo nobody)? You, (Veers Belvar)?

I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for (carebears) and you curse the (content creators). You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that (carebears) deaths, while tragic, (creates content). And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, (creates content)!

You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at (mining ops), you want me (creating content for you). You need me (creating content for you).

We use words like "(HTFU)", "(gank)", "(mission flip)". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very (content) that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it!

I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a (pvp fit ship), and (blap someone).

Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!" - Col Jessup, A few good content creators

F
Anslo
Scope Works
#427 - 2014-12-09 21:53:59 UTC
tldr: Confirmed ass hats, moving on.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#428 - 2014-12-09 22:18:22 UTC
Anslo wrote:
tldr: Confirmed ass hats, moving on.

Shut up anslo.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#429 - 2014-12-09 22:33:30 UTC
Anslo wrote:
>implying you're all not knobs

ayyyy

You remind me a lot of Jester.

Although in his case he actually is ****** in the head.

In the best possible way of course.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

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Anslo
Scope Works
#430 - 2014-12-09 22:37:11 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Anslo wrote:
tldr: Confirmed ass hats, moving on.

Shut up anslo.

No.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#431 - 2014-12-09 22:37:15 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Some hilarious hypocrisy going on here. Regardless of where you play in EvE or how you play, you are inherently bending someone else over, someone less skilled, less aware of mechanics, prices, etc. Whether its us dunking carebears, or a null super fleet dunking a less capable sub-cap fleet, its all relative, so cram that holier-than-thou up arse please, there is no bushido in EvE, everyone is f#cking someone else's chicken...

Secondly, we freely admit that we are asshat pirates getting our jollies by making things explode. On the flipside we try to recruit those victim's into corp and train them how to escape a life of PVE drudgery themselves, a metamorphosis they may have never undertaken otherwise if not confronted with our non-consensual splooging to interrupt their 100% safe hisec fappery.

The blog? Not only provides delicious content for many of it's readers, but education for those not-sploded, who can learn by others mistakes without making them themselves. A better tutorial system if you will, and one much needed, if only every player new to EvE read that blog (and this thread) in its entirety, enlightenment would happen prior to losing 3b fail-fit pimp mobile.

In closing, I would like to quote Col. Jessup:

"Son, we live in a (game) that has walls, and those walls have to be (torn down) by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You (Anslo nobody)? You, (Veers Belvar)?

I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for (carebears) and you curse the (content creators). You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that (carebears) deaths, while tragic, (creates content). And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, (creates content)!

You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at (mining ops), you want me (creating content for you). You need me (creating content for you).

We use words like "(HTFU)", "(gank)", "(mission flip)". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very (content) that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it!

I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a (pvp fit ship), and (blap someone).

Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!" - Col Jessup, A few good content creators

F


What I would like to see is a different approach to the game. Use highsec as a training ground for new players, teach them how to fit ships, how to fight, how to PvE. Let them amass wealth and then, when comfortable, join PvP in low and null. It would be nice if instead of "pirates" and "carebears" we could all work together to make highsec a friendlier and more welcoming place, and use it to draw more fresh blood into the game. That would then allow more people to build themselves up and become players in low/null.

The way to do that isn't by blowing people up and "creating content" it's by enabling better run highsec PvE corps that can have a positive influence on the game.
Six Beavers
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#432 - 2014-12-10 09:15:53 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
What I would like to see is a different approach to the game. Use highsec as a training ground for new players, teach them how to fit ships, how to fight, how to PvE. Let them amass wealth and then, when comfortable, join PvP in low and null. It would be nice if instead of "pirates" and "carebears" we could all work together to make highsec a friendlier and more welcoming place, and use it to draw more fresh blood into the game. That would then allow more people to build themselves up and become players in low/null.

The way to do that isn't by blowing people up and "creating content" it's by enabling better run highsec PvE corps that can have a positive influence on the game.


For being someone who thinks he's all knowing of highsec you really show your dipsh*t ways with this post. You see for you 7 years in a NPC corp mining still makes a new player. The 7 year old character doesn't care to pvp because they got really bad advice from Veers that nullsec is a bad place full of blobing and ganking. Of course Veers has never been in nullsec and is totally clueless about NS but Veers has heard from "reliable" sources that it's bad and grrr goons.

Brave Newbies just took on PL in frigates and moa's. Some were only weeks old and never spent any time in HS "getting comfortable", they came to Eve for fun not idiotic mining or incursion running. See Veers you've been told this thousands of times before but choose to ignore what eve is about so you can troll your garbage in the hopes of what? Point to me one of your 3-7 year old newbies who got all comfortable mining veld that they decided to venture into nullsec? I can point to thousands of brave newbies, RvBer's, and many others including people that i've personally hooked into pvp thru miner ganking. "This is Eve" and countless other pvp oriented tools have brought fresh blood into eve. "This is boring mining" doesn't bring any fresh blood into eve, it just brings in afking idoits who do nothing for eve.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#433 - 2014-12-10 15:07:36 UTC
Six Beavers wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
What I would like to see is a different approach to the game. Use highsec as a training ground for new players, teach them how to fit ships, how to fight, how to PvE. Let them amass wealth and then, when comfortable, join PvP in low and null. It would be nice if instead of "pirates" and "carebears" we could all work together to make highsec a friendlier and more welcoming place, and use it to draw more fresh blood into the game. That would then allow more people to build themselves up and become players in low/null.

The way to do that isn't by blowing people up and "creating content" it's by enabling better run highsec PvE corps that can have a positive influence on the game.


For being someone who thinks he's all knowing of highsec you really show your dipsh*t ways with this post. You see for you 7 years in a NPC corp mining still makes a new player. The 7 year old character doesn't care to pvp because they got really bad advice from Veers that nullsec is a bad place full of blobing and ganking. Of course Veers has never been in nullsec and is totally clueless about NS but Veers has heard from "reliable" sources that it's bad and grrr goons.

Brave Newbies just took on PL in frigates and moa's. Some were only weeks old and never spent any time in HS "getting comfortable", they came to Eve for fun not idiotic mining or incursion running. See Veers you've been told this thousands of times before but choose to ignore what eve is about so you can troll your garbage in the hopes of what? Point to me one of your 3-7 year old newbies who got all comfortable mining veld that they decided to venture into nullsec? I can point to thousands of brave newbies, RvBer's, and many others including people that i've personally hooked into pvp thru miner ganking. "This is Eve" and countless other pvp oriented tools have brought fresh blood into eve. "This is boring mining" doesn't bring any fresh blood into eve, it just brings in afking idoits who do nothing for eve.


I generally don't think 7 year old miners are new players. Confirming that I've never ever been to nullsec Roll and that I tell highsec players that nullsec is full of blobbing and ganking, and that they should never go there Roll Oh right, and Grrr Goons and such.

The week old Brave Newbies folks were in expendable tackle ships (and it doesn't make sense to me how a single frigate with a warp scram can trap a carrier, for the record). The actual killing was done by bittervets in dreads. And by the way, most incursion runners are nullsec alts....they actually do a substantial amount of PvP. Miners are different, because they specifically choose an AFK activity (I think mining, and ratting, should require active keyboard presence). I don't think that the average highsec PvE player responds to suicide ganking by packing up and going to nullsec. Most respond with tears, anger, victimization, quitting the game, etc... The way to engage with people is to actually engage with them through conversation, roams, highsec corps, etc...not by blowing them up and posting the tears on minerbumping.com
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#434 - 2014-12-10 15:29:10 UTC
Unfortunately oftentimes the only way to engage high security mission bears in conversation and whatnot is to first get their attention, usually through violence. I know this because I did the whole mission thing for years. I flew solo, I looked around and saw myriad others flying solo. Local was desolate. Nobody interacted with anyone else unless they had to. I lived in Otsela for years doing this and mining on occasion. It was like the antisocial old folks home for bitter bears.

Now when I do what I do there's a mixed reaction in local, but usually at least there's a reaction. People wake up and realize that they are not alone. Some have fun with this, others run and hide. Either way, something is happening. The reason that so many pvp'ers seem so social is that unlike most they are playing the game with others. It becomes a community that way, rather than a zillion nations of one. We don't hate on any playstyle, we're not out there to change yours. On the other hand we cannot sit idly by and suffer in silence when so many cry out that OUR playstyle is bad and needs to be nerfed, destroyed, banned, or whatnot.

This is what motivates us to do what we do, this double standard. Until folks stop crying out that how WE play the game needs to be devaluated and marginalized we will continue to shoot the man next to you. We have few other recourses when it comes to making our point.

We are not trying to stop you from playing the game the way you want to, and what we want is you to extend the same courtesy in return.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

ForTheEmpire2014
Doomheim
#435 - 2014-12-10 15:45:13 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Anslo wrote:
>implying you're all not knobs

ayyyy

You remind me a lot of Jester.

Although in his case he actually is ****** in the head.

In the best possible way of course.


If only I could see those lips move when the words come out...
enthrallingSmile
Starrakatt
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#436 - 2014-12-10 16:45:24 UTC
The trollfeast going on in here is so very entertaining.

Forum PVP at its finest.

Oh, pray continue.

Devil's wills it.
Rein Chelien
Nova Express
#437 - 2014-12-11 06:29:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Veers Belvar wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Some hilarious hypocrisy going on here. Regardless of where you play in EvE or how you play, you are inherently bending someone else over, someone less skilled, less aware of mechanics, prices, etc. Whether its us dunking carebears, or a null super fleet dunking a less capable sub-cap fleet, its all relative, so cram that holier-than-thou up arse please, there is no bushido in EvE, everyone is f#cking someone else's chicken...

Secondly, we freely admit that we are asshat pirates getting our jollies by making things explode. On the flipside we try to recruit those victim's into corp and train them how to escape a life of PVE drudgery themselves, a metamorphosis they may have never undertaken otherwise if not confronted with our non-consensual splooging to interrupt their 100% safe hisec fappery.

The blog? Not only provides delicious content for many of it's readers, but education for those not-sploded, who can learn by others mistakes without making them themselves. A better tutorial system if you will, and one much needed, if only every player new to EvE read that blog (and this thread) in its entirety, enlightenment would happen prior to losing 3b fail-fit pimp mobile.



What I would like to see is a different approach to the game. Use highsec as a training ground for new players, teach them how to fit ships, how to fight, how to PvE. Let them amass wealth and then, when comfortable, join PvP in low and null. It would be nice if instead of "pirates" and "carebears" we could all work together to make highsec a friendlier and more welcoming place, and use it to draw more fresh blood into the game. That would then allow more people to build themselves up and become players in low/null.

The way to do that isn't by blowing people up and "creating content" it's by enabling better run highsec PvE corps that can have a positive influence on the game.


Hey, guess what? EvE is still a place where you can have different approaches to the game (yay!). There's no need to nerf the game to enable better run highsec PvE corps. Go run one! Nothing's stopping you. And when you do, expect to be war'decced because well, that's part of the game too. Unless you want to get rid of war'deccing in highsec too.

Hey, in terms of education, here's a great example. I scanned down someone doing a sleeper site and barged in on their fun. Instead of whining and complaining at me they fought back and GOT SOMETHING OUT OF IT.


*Snip* Please refrain from posting private in game correspondence outside the Pirate story thread. ISD Ezwal.

Oh the humanity of it all... The dude learned!!!
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#438 - 2014-12-11 07:04:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Rein Chelien wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Some hilarious hypocrisy going on here. Regardless of where you play in EvE or how you play, you are inherently bending someone else over, someone less skilled, less aware of mechanics, prices, etc. Whether its us dunking carebears, or a null super fleet dunking a less capable sub-cap fleet, its all relative, so cram that holier-than-thou up arse please, there is no bushido in EvE, everyone is f#cking someone else's chicken...

Secondly, we freely admit that we are asshat pirates getting our jollies by making things explode. On the flipside we try to recruit those victim's into corp and train them how to escape a life of PVE drudgery themselves, a metamorphosis they may have never undertaken otherwise if not confronted with our non-consensual splooging to interrupt their 100% safe hisec fappery.

The blog? Not only provides delicious content for many of it's readers, but education for those not-sploded, who can learn by others mistakes without making them themselves. A better tutorial system if you will, and one much needed, if only every player new to EvE read that blog (and this thread) in its entirety, enlightenment would happen prior to losing 3b fail-fit pimp mobile.



What I would like to see is a different approach to the game. Use highsec as a training ground for new players, teach them how to fit ships, how to fight, how to PvE. Let them amass wealth and then, when comfortable, join PvP in low and null. It would be nice if instead of "pirates" and "carebears" we could all work together to make highsec a friendlier and more welcoming place, and use it to draw more fresh blood into the game. That would then allow more people to build themselves up and become players in low/null.

The way to do that isn't by blowing people up and "creating content" it's by enabling better run highsec PvE corps that can have a positive influence on the game.


Hey, guess what? EvE is still a place where you can have different approaches to the game (yay!). There's no need to nerf the game to enable better run highsec PvE corps. Go run one! Nothing's stopping you. And when you do, expect to be war'decced because well, that's part of the game too. Unless you want to get rid of war'deccing in highsec too.

Hey, in terms of education, here's a great example. I scanned down someone doing a sleeper site and barged in on their fun. Instead of whining and complaining at me they fought back and GOT SOMETHING OUT OF IT.


*Snip* Please refrain from posting private in game correspondence outside the Pirate story thread. ISD Ezwal.

Oh the humanity of it all... The dude learned!!!


Very nice... as a highsec PvE player it's irrational to be in a real corp...

Disadvantages - wardeccs, awoxxing, theft

Advantages - none

Result - NPC or 1 man corp.
PooButtAss
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#439 - 2014-12-11 15:01:42 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Very nice... as a highsec PvE player it's irrational to be in a real corp...

Disadvantages - wardeccs, awoxxing, theft

Advantages - none

Result - NPC or 1 man corp.


No advantages to being a corp like E-uni where you can basically get your hand held for whatever you want to be good at?

The "learning zone" hisec you want already exists... you just have to join a player corp and learn from real life other people.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#440 - 2014-12-11 16:01:56 UTC
PooButtAss wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Very nice... as a highsec PvE player it's irrational to be in a real corp...

Disadvantages - wardeccs, awoxxing, theft

Advantages - none

Result - NPC or 1 man corp.


No advantages to being a corp like E-uni where you can basically get your hand held for whatever you want to be good at?

The "learning zone" hisec you want already exists... you just have to join a player corp and learn from real life other people.


You can learn the same things on your own and just fleet with non-corpmates. The game provides no advantages for being in a highsec PvE corp. It does provide a staggering array of disadvantages. As CCP themselves stated, the rational thing for a highsec PvE player to do is to avoid player corps.