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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#121 - 2014-03-19 12:15:45 UTC
Remember guys, the Golem is not a battleship, and pocos totally are sov assets.

I wonder how much longer he can keep denying that he illicitly bought his character, though.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#122 - 2014-03-19 12:16:08 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

They're not cruisers. They're Strategic Cruisers.


re read that.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2014-03-19 12:17:07 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


These kinds of responses are the spiritual text-based equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and yelling "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!"

And you use them often.

Likewise so are 'You're mom" insults. If you can't act at least as mature as my 7 year old I'm going to ignore you.


Not even close. That was a witty quip, I'll agree not in the best taste, but it was hardly the epitome of ignorance. That's your forte.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#124 - 2014-03-19 12:21:56 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


These kinds of responses are the spiritual text-based equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and yelling "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!"

And you use them often.

Likewise so are 'You're mom" insults. If you can't act at least as mature as my 7 year old I'm going to ignore you.


Not even close. That was a witty quip, I'll agree not in the best taste, but it was hardly the epitome of ignorance. That's your forte.

Yawn. Get back on topic or GTFO of this thread.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#125 - 2014-03-19 12:23:43 UTC
What should the meta for BSes look like Infinity Ziona?

Oh god.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#126 - 2014-03-19 12:24:30 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


These kinds of responses are the spiritual text-based equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and yelling "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!"

And you use them often.

Likewise so are 'You're mom" insults. If you can't act at least as mature as my 7 year old I'm going to ignore you.


Not even close. That was a witty quip, I'll agree not in the best taste, but it was hardly the epitome of ignorance. That's your forte.

Yawn. Get back on topic or GTFO of this thread.


Says the person who starts a post by saying the Golem is not a battleship? I've said this before, but you really are the biggest hypocrite I have ever encountered in my life.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2014-03-19 12:30:20 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


These kinds of responses are the spiritual text-based equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and yelling "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!"

And you use them often.

Likewise so are 'You're mom" insults. If you can't act at least as mature as my 7 year old I'm going to ignore you.


Not even close. That was a witty quip, I'll agree not in the best taste, but it was hardly the epitome of ignorance. That's your forte.

LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!


That's just because you're too busy ignoring everyone.

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Garia666
CyberShield Inc
HYDRA RELOADED
#128 - 2014-03-19 12:31:25 UTC
Orpheus Nyberg wrote:
I'm still fairly new to Eve and I just was curious if there is ever much 1v1 PVP among the large size ships like Cruisers, Battlecruisers, and Battleships. I have seen plenty of discussion about frigate and destroyer 1v1 fights, fittings, etc. but not anything besides that. If this is a somewhat occurring matter, where does it usually happen as far as security zones? Also any other information relative to this subject would interest me as well.

Thanks for reading.



The geddon was one of the best large solo pvp ships untill they rapred it.
as an ship oftenly used now you see them rarly.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#129 - 2014-03-19 12:37:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Riot Girl wrote:
What should the meta for BSes look like Infinity Ziona?

Much like it does now. Battleships are weak in lots of areas against smaller ships, significantly in terms of application of damage and mobility.

Battleships should be given an increased ability to force an engagement, which would mean a significant boost to scan resolution, 150 to 200mm. This along with a sebo with scan res script would allow them to force engagements on battle-cruisers and most cruisers.


Edit: it just struck me as very odd all these usually pro-ganking non-consensual pvp people are so against BS being able to force people to pvp.. Why is that?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#130 - 2014-03-19 12:43:24 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
What should the meta for BSes look like Infinity Ziona?

Much like it does now. Battleships are weak in lots of areas against smaller ships, significantly in terms of application of damage and mobility.

Battleships should be given an increased ability to force an engagement, which would mean a significant boost to scan resolution, 150 to 200mm. This along with a sebo with scan res script would allow them to force engagements on battle-cruisers and most cruisers.





But they can already get plenty of engagements with cruisers. Locking times are not what you have put down.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#131 - 2014-03-19 12:45:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
What should the meta for BSes look like Infinity Ziona?

Much like it does now. Battleships are weak in lots of areas against smaller ships, significantly in terms of application of damage and mobility.

Battleships should be given an increased ability to force an engagement, which would mean a significant boost to scan resolution, 150 to 200mm. This along with a sebo with scan res script would allow them to force engagements on battle-cruisers and most cruisers.





But they can already get plenty of engagements with cruisers. Locking times are not what you have put down.

Except the math and the game says they are. Sorry but its not something that can be argued with.

The difference between you and I is I have flown battleships solo since 2003 and, you haven't.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#132 - 2014-03-19 12:50:00 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
What should the meta for BSes look like Infinity Ziona?

Much like it does now. Battleships are weak in lots of areas against smaller ships, significantly in terms of application of damage and mobility.

Battleships should be given an increased ability to force an engagement, which would mean a significant boost to scan resolution, 150 to 200mm. This along with a sebo with scan res script would allow them to force engagements on battle-cruisers and most cruisers.





But they can already get plenty of engagements with cruisers. Locking times are not what you have put down.

Except the math and the game says they are. Sorry but its not something that can be argued with.

The difference between you and I is I have flown battleships solo since 2003 and, you haven't.


No, you didn't, you bought your character illicitly. I've played this game for near a decade, and quit for quite a while in between subs. I have MASSIVE gaps in my knowledge of this game.

But I can't hold a candle to your sheer ignorance. Do you even play this game?

Oh, and I betcha I probably have more flight time in battleships than you do, let alone Baltec, who literally does not fly anything else.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#133 - 2014-03-19 12:50:01 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Except the math and the game says they are. Sorry but its not something that can be argued with.

The difference between you and I is I have flown battleships solo since 2003 and, you haven't.


So tell me why that golem in the vid was locking cruisers at 8 seconds when you say that is the locking time on battleship sized targets?

As someone who flys BS almost all the time I simply do not see the numbers that you have stated.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#134 - 2014-03-19 13:00:54 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
What should the meta for BSes look like Infinity Ziona?

Much like it does now. Battleships are weak in lots of areas against smaller ships, significantly in terms of application of damage and mobility.

Battleships should be given an increased ability to force an engagement, which would mean a significant boost to scan resolution, 150 to 200mm. This along with a sebo with scan res script would allow them to force engagements on battle-cruisers and most cruisers.





But they can already get plenty of engagements with cruisers. Locking times are not what you have put down.

Except the math and the game says they are. Sorry but its not something that can be argued with.

The difference between you and I is I have flown battleships solo since 2003 and, you haven't.


No, you didn't, you bought your character illicitly. I've played this game for near a decade, and quit for quite a while in between subs. I have MASSIVE gaps in my knowledge of this game.

But I can't hold a candle to your sheer ignorance. Do you even play this game?

Oh, and I betcha I probably have more flight time in battleships than you do, let alone Baltec, who literally does not fly anything else.

If you think I illegally bought my character than submit a petition to CCP. Since CCP has all my details from 2003 I'm sure they'd be happy to check for you.

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Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Markku Laaksonen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#135 - 2014-03-19 13:02:55 UTC
Come on guys, that 'your mom' joke was funny. Your mom's so fat she's a marauder class battleship? C'mon, that's grade A stuff.


Sorry, marauders aren't battleships. Roll

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2014-03-19 13:04:25 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Except the math and the game says they are. Sorry but its not something that can be argued with.

The difference between you and I is I have flown battleships solo since 2003 and, you haven't.


So tell me why that golem in the vid was locking cruisers at 8 seconds when you say that is the locking time on battleship sized targets?

As someone who flys BS almost all the time I simply do not see the numbers that you have stated.

Because 8 seconds is about how long it takes for a battleship to lock a cruiser. Which is about 3 seconds too long to lock one that wants to leave before you lock it.

Factor in your warp in, that 3 second delay where you just sit there at the end of warp and you have no chance to lock a cruiser before it warps away.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#137 - 2014-03-19 13:05:26 UTC
Markku Laaksonen wrote:
Come on guys, that 'your mom' joke was funny. Your mom's so fat she's a marauder class battleship? C'mon, that's grade A stuff.


Sorry, marauders aren't battleships. Roll

It was okay. Your mums so fat your dad has to light a cyno on the front lawn to get her out of the house... That's better, not mine though :)

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#138 - 2014-03-19 13:09:05 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Infinity Ziona wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Except the math and the game says they are. Sorry but its not something that can be argued with.

The difference between you and I is I have flown battleships solo since 2003 and, you haven't.


So tell me why that golem in the vid was locking cruisers at 8 seconds when you say that is the locking time on battleship sized targets?

As someone who flys BS almost all the time I simply do not see the numbers that you have stated.

Because 8 seconds is about how long it takes for a battleship to lock a cruiser. Which is about 3 seconds too long to lock one that wants to leave before you lock it.

Factor in your warp in, that 3 second delay where you just sit there at the end of warp and you have no chance to lock a cruiser before it warps away.


I'll quote you.
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Raven locking:

A frigate: 19s (Frigate warps in 3s) - consensual pvp only
A destroyer: 14 s (destroyer warps in 4s) - consensual pvp only
A cruiser: 12 s (cruiser warps in 5s) - consensual pvp only
A battlecruiser: 9.5 seconds (battlecruiser warps in 9 seconds) - consensual pvp only
A battleships: 8 seconds (battleships warps in 11 seconds) - non-consensual pvp possible


I do not see these numbers in game when fighting people. 8 seconds is is closer to locking a cruiser, not a battleship. Your numbers do not correspond to what I see in game.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2014-03-19 13:13:21 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Except the math and the game says they are. Sorry but its not something that can be argued with.

The difference between you and I is I have flown battleships solo since 2003 and, you haven't.


So tell me why that golem in the vid was locking cruisers at 8 seconds when you say that is the locking time on battleship sized targets?

As someone who flys BS almost all the time I simply do not see the numbers that you have stated.

Because 8 seconds is about how long it takes for a battleship to lock a cruiser. Which is about 3 seconds too long to lock one that wants to leave before you lock it.

Factor in your warp in, that 3 second delay where you just sit there at the end of warp and you have no chance to lock a cruiser before it warps away.


I'll quote you.
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Raven locking:

A frigate: 19s (Frigate warps in 3s) - consensual pvp only
A destroyer: 14 s (destroyer warps in 4s) - consensual pvp only
A cruiser: 12 s (cruiser warps in 5s) - consensual pvp only
A battlecruiser: 9.5 seconds (battlecruiser warps in 9 seconds) - consensual pvp only
A battleships: 8 seconds (battleships warps in 11 seconds) - non-consensual pvp possible


I do not see these numbers in game when fighting people. 8 seconds is is closer to locking a cruiser, not a battleship. Your numbers do not correspond to what I see in game.

That's without sensor booster. With sensor booster its around 8 seconds.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#140 - 2014-03-19 13:14:19 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Except the math and the game says they are. Sorry but its not something that can be argued with.

The difference between you and I is I have flown battleships solo since 2003 and, you haven't.


So tell me why that golem in the vid was locking cruisers at 8 seconds when you say that is the locking time on battleship sized targets?

As someone who flys BS almost all the time I simply do not see the numbers that you have stated.

Because 8 seconds is about how long it takes for a battleship to lock a cruiser. Which is about 3 seconds too long to lock one that wants to leave before you lock it.

Factor in your warp in, that 3 second delay where you just sit there at the end of warp and you have no chance to lock a cruiser before it warps away.


I'll quote you.
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Raven locking:

A frigate: 19s (Frigate warps in 3s) - consensual pvp only
A destroyer: 14 s (destroyer warps in 4s) - consensual pvp only
A cruiser: 12 s (cruiser warps in 5s) - consensual pvp only
A battlecruiser: 9.5 seconds (battlecruiser warps in 9 seconds) - consensual pvp only
A battleships: 8 seconds (battleships warps in 11 seconds) - non-consensual pvp possible


I do not see these numbers in game when fighting people. 8 seconds is is closer to locking a cruiser, not a battleship. Your numbers do not correspond to what I see in game.


That's because he made those numbers up. That, or took them off the E-uni wiki based on minimum skills.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.