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EVE Online has a beautifull universe, but...

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#61 - 2014-03-17 19:14:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:

I am, therefore I shiptoast.


Considering you are the only one who is stomping feet about a short post of mine, it's more of an "easily bruised ego" reaction of yours. Pointless reaction that is, I did not even mean to bruise anything to begin with, the butthurt is all made and staying on your side.

Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I am LIVING in RL because of what I have learned in EvE and copy pasted in RL.

Can you point out who on this forum is not living in RL?


I see you have reading comprehension challenges, maybe you should ponder why nobody else is finding anything to say, while you are reading baffles for waffles and throw a tantrum on that.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#62 - 2014-03-17 19:25:23 UTC
Caddis Borealis wrote:
...the game is boring.

1* Ship movement is hollywood physics.

2* Stations do have only hangar and one room. Where are others? Why I can't interact with others in stations?

3* PVE is really, really, really, really, really boring. Level two and I am done with it. Exploration is the same, but with RNG deciding if you get fancy loot after gazillion clicks.

4* Weapons and combat is boring. Press F1 and that's it. Maybe orbit, maybe little bit of distance control, but that's it.

5* Industrial and market are okay, but trading game...not fun. It's boring.

6* Training skills takes forever. Your personal skills do not matter. Skills are just timers that tell you to come back six months later.

7* Game feels like second job. That's not fun.

Ugh!

S!


Because whenever anyone proposes to add anything like this Tippia sends in the bittervet squad to assassinate all dissenters and tell you the game is wholly complete, cannot possibly be improved in the manner suggested, and you are a bad person for so suggesting.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#63 - 2014-03-17 19:25:36 UTC
Is this one of those tie-breaker competion questions? Answer in 50 words or less.



EVE Online has a beautiful universe, but...

Shame about the face?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#64 - 2014-03-17 19:31:00 UTC
Harbonah wrote:



Ultima Online, Star Wars Galaxies, Mortal Online, Haven and Hearth, Warhammer, the list goes on,

the list of MMO's that fall due to massive changes demanded by a growing cast of people screaming they are going to quit. Changes get made, those people quit anyhow and the game loses the loyal customers it had before due to whiners and wingnuts.


The above is very important because the "EVE would get more subs if......." crowd that hangs around the forums making suggestions do not understand why some of us like our rather exclusive little niche. More subs = more people in game and more financial pressure for CCP (a game company) to cater to the instant gratification crowd that wonders 'why our skills can't grow as we use them instead of this horrible time based thing?' and so on lol.

Game developers and gamers themselves tend to have one thing in common: neither side knows what consumers NEED in a game and many times listen to what the gamers say they want.

Even some EVE gamers think they want some things another way, but when they get it (Star Trek Online with it's optional pvp, good pve and no 'griefing' is imo the best recent example) they end up coming back to EVE while making the excuse that that other game isn't a sandbox lol. How can they make suggestions about a game when they don't even really understand their own gaming needs and motivations?


Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#65 - 2014-03-17 19:35:39 UTC
Shizuken wrote:


Because whenever anyone proposes to add anything like this Tippia sends in the bittervet squad to assassinate all dissenters and tell you the game is wholly complete, cannot possibly be improved in the manner suggested, and you are a bad person for so suggesting.


Confirming Tippia is Shadow Lord of the forums. I haven't been posting much because I need to update Jabber, haven't been getting my Tippia "post now" pings.

I mean, it couldn't be that most posted ideas (especially yours Shizuken) are crap that don't stand up to peer review and would have negative affects on the game if they ever saw the light of day or anything like that. Nope, it's all Tippia's fault.

Damn you Tippia for holding back the game!!!
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#66 - 2014-03-17 19:45:08 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Shizuken wrote:


Because whenever anyone proposes to add anything like this Tippia sends in the bittervet squad to assassinate all dissenters and tell you the game is wholly complete, cannot possibly be improved in the manner suggested, and you are a bad person for so suggesting.


Confirming Tippia is Shadow Lord of the forums. I haven't been posting much because I need to update Jabber, haven't been getting my Tippia "post now" pings.

I mean, it couldn't be that most posted ideas (especially yours Shizuken) are crap that don't stand up to peer review and would have negative affects on the game if they ever saw the light of day or anything like that. Nope, it's all Tippia's fault.

Damn you Tippia for holding back the game!!!


Well it wasn't Tippia, but I think OP gets the idea.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#67 - 2014-03-17 19:57:24 UTC
Thead Enco wrote:
Caddis Borealis wrote:
...the game is boring.

1* Ship movement is hollywood physics.

2* Stations do have only hangar and one room. Where are others? Why I can't interact with others in stations?

3* PVE is really, really, really, really, really boring. Level two and I am done with it. Exploration is the same, but with RNG deciding if you get fancy loot after gazillion clicks.

4* Weapons and combat is boring. Press F1 and that's it. Maybe orbit, maybe little bit of distance control, but that's it.

5* Industrial and market are okay, but trading game...not fun. It's boring.

6* Training skills takes forever. Your personal skills do not matter. Skills are just timers that tell you to come back six months later.

7* Game feels like second job. That's not fun.

Ugh!

S!


CCP Revenue losses

No worries with losses like this ^ continues you wont have to worry about it any longer o7


Except that the losses come form two places, Advertising and RND. You would expect a loss if you are making a new game, i.e. EVR and WoD. And because you made ads for a new game , i.e. Dust. We will see what this year looks like when evr is out and if dust makes money. but off topic I am

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#68 - 2014-03-17 20:22:16 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
Just wait for S_ _ _ C_ _ _ _ _ _ and you'll get a real space sim. I know I am. Twisted


I do not understand the hype over this... but i'll address something.

I have played eve for 10 years (as of April 1st) In that time I have heard that:

Star Trek online, Star wars TOR, Black Prophacy, the next WoW expantion, etc will hurt eve.

And everytime, without fail, this is wrong.

I can tell you who is most likely to happen. IF that game is made, and IF it lives up tot he hype and the promises, you will see people run both eve and SC for a short time as they try it out. Then you will see some people jump to SC, which is natural. Then eventually they will get bored and come back to eve.

That's how It works. Unless a game sucks form day one, ala STO, in which case the eve player leave the new game almost immediately.

EvE and SC have so many differences, that its enough to not hold a true eve player for long. EvE will be fine, and if SC lives to the hype it will grow, which will be good for it, and good for eve. Because, ccp can make improvements based off things in SC and maybe a fire lite uner there butts to make improvements. In addition, you wll have the eve player who will compare things to eve, which might make an SC player jump to eve and try it.

I'm 99% sure, even if SC is a SMASH hit, it will hurt wow a hades of a lot more then eve.

Now to the OP: EvE is a hard game, its not boring however, only is if you don't do crap about it. That's the great thing about eve, I can do virtually anything I want. I can play as much or little as I want. Others game don't have that, and from the sound of it, SC won't either.

So try something else, join a corp, go see if you can hit every 0.0 system and not die, I mean tons to do. Just do it.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Precentor Saggitus
Planet Express Transport
#69 - 2014-03-17 20:28:17 UTC
Caddis Borealis wrote:
...the game is boring.

1* Ship movement is hollywood physics.

2* Stations do have only hangar and one room. Where are others? Why I can't interact with others in stations?

3* PVE is really, really, really, really, really boring. Level two and I am done with it. Exploration is the same, but with RNG deciding if you get fancy loot after gazillion clicks.

4* Weapons and combat is boring. Press F1 and that's it. Maybe orbit, maybe little bit of distance control, but that's it.

5* Industrial and market are okay, but trading game...not fun. It's boring.

6* Training skills takes forever. Your personal skills do not matter. Skills are just timers that tell you to come back six months later.

7* Game feels like second job. That's not fun.

Ugh!

S!


I have to say that I don't really understand the need to make posts like this one. If one doesn't like the game, don't play it. Not everyone is going to like everything. But I really don't understand the thought behind some of the points.

1* What's boring about the ship physics? As of yet the only game I've ever seen that has "realistic" space ship physics has been the ancient Lunar Lander which if I recall came out for the Atari, with good old vector graphics. Any space combat game would be really tough to sell as a "game" if it used real space flight physics. Read a few of Alistair Reynolds books and one will get the idea of what realistic physics could possibly be. With that in mind though, one can still have fun with a game that's unrealistic. Super Mario was fun, and one doesn't get hung up by the fact that real people can't jump three times their own height (among other things).

2* Given that the game's focus is a space combat, I'm not sure what else one needs. Does an MMO really require you to be able to dance naked on mailboxes with your character? The game doesn't prevent you from conversing with the other people. How else do you need to interact with them?

3* PvE depends on what you want out of it. I feel EVE is more interesting than most MMOs since there is a wide variety of PvE activities to get up to, all with varying amounts of risk. For me, there's the challenge of how efficient I can get at PvE. How can you maximize your ISK return from it. How do you acquire load outs for ships that help maximize it? What is one's goal with PvE? Do you want faction standing? ISK? Loot? Materials for Manufacture? Its as interesting as you make it. As of yet there's been really no MMO that killing mobs has been that exciting. That brings us to...

4* Can one really say that orbiting with your ship is more boring than clicking on a mob and auto attacking until the computer mathematically determines the end of said combat? EVE has one thing that almost no other MMO does though, you have skin in this game. Its amazing how much that makes a difference. Especially the farther you get in the game, the more you risk. Only game ever where when one enters combat - especially PvP - one feels your heart get going.

5* EVE has by far the best economy of any MMO. Hands down. Its as real as it gets, its live. As of yet there is no MMO that has an economy and market that runs as well as EVE's. Don't expect to play the market in EVE and "have fun" unless you're already one of those people who has fun by such endeavors. What game has a better market that is more "fun"? What makes a market "fun"? To me its dynamics are interesting. EVE's economy adhere's the rules of supply and demand. That's a key to what makes it work. AFAIK, there are no other MMOs where you can create buy orders to stimulate activity. Think about what that enables you to do.

6* What personal skills affect how well you do in other games? In every other MMO, my character's "skill" level is simply affected by how much time I spend online. EVE's is different. You either like how it works or you don't. I personally like it. It means I'm not forced to be in game all the time to advance my character.

7* See above. Best thing about EVE. If I take a week off, I'm not now behind everyone. As of yet, EVE is the only MMO that really has as much content as you want to partake in, and you can rapidly shift from playing a lot - and joining others who do - to playing a little. I took two years off and when I returned, my ships were still good to go fight with. They weren't obsolete, and suddenly all my stuff is worthless like every other MMO. People still needed my stores of Tritanium, people still buy the Thrashers I make. There's activities I can do casually, stuff I can do intensely if I want. For a casual MMO player, what could be better? Its only a second job if you want it to be.

Few people understand the psycology of a highway traffic cop. Your average speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow.

J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2014-03-17 20:29:00 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:
Just wait for S_ _ _ C_ _ _ _ _ _ and you'll get a real space sim. I know I am. Twisted



bla bla bla bla a WoW in space clone.



ha ha ha you're a funny guy, I got a good laugh out of that
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Ralen Zateki
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#71 - 2014-03-17 21:10:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralen Zateki
Double post. Six thumbs. Move along please.
Ralen Zateki
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#72 - 2014-03-17 21:12:20 UTC
Ralen Zateki wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I am LIVING in RL because of what I have learned in EvE and copy pasted in RL.

[quote] Can you point out who on this forum is not living in RL?



Damnit! Busted again. I no longer live in real life. Apparently I forgot to post a proper announcement.
Kyperion
#73 - 2014-03-17 21:31:21 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
This is a game for adults. We adults aren't really impressed by eye candy. In fact. We play this 'cause we don't have to spend a lot of time looking at eye candy. True EVE players are more concerned with numbers. As a result we'd rather register the values of the numbers quickly. I'm sure, if they started using a decorative font for the numbers we'd mob rush Iceland carrying torches and various farming implements.

If you're into eye candy, there's plenty of neat spaceship games out there with "really cool" graphics. You can have all your friends gather around your monitor and oooh and aaaaah at your really cool game you'd have to be really cool to have downloaded.

This game also isn't the kind of game where a God of Internet Gaming (in WoW for instance), can come here, grind for the quick highend gear, then go around ganking other lowly players who just aren't as "good at gaming" as Mr. Epeen. (Sorry for borrowing your name there Mr. Epeen.)

We like the "training" thing because it's an adult way to handle what in MMOs is called "experience points."
You can't power level here. Oh my goodness! Ain't that a shame? AND....

I thought everybody knew EVE is a job.

I hope this response clarifies things a bit for you.


No, its a game where a group of cult like douchebags go around ganking New players with developer blessings....

and where the most active players on the forums are all running scams

Its a great game... if you either Ignore everyone or like to be a dickhead
One Eyed Runner
GetYaTitsOut
#74 - 2014-03-17 22:18:46 UTC
Shederov Blood wrote:
One Eyed Runner wrote:
don't let the door hit your ass on the way outTwisted
... if only I could get the bloody thing open.



LolLolLolLol

I live in Jita so f*ck off

BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#75 - 2014-03-17 22:40:19 UTC
OP = Nutz

But I can't believe how many "Likes" he got... Bunch of losers...
I Riven I
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2014-03-17 22:52:42 UTC
I don't know, I play eve in star map mode with the map dragged to the right.

All I see is a black background, and thats eve to me.
Mara Denais
Mara Denais Tax Evasion
#77 - 2014-03-17 23:10:41 UTC
Kyperion wrote:

No, its a game where a group of cult like douchebags go around ganking New players with developer blessings....


5 years in an NPC corp have jaded you. The majority of my playtime is with fun and upstanding players.
Kate 'on
DevonCorp
#78 - 2014-03-17 23:17:43 UTC
Caddis Borealis wrote:
...the game is boring.

1* Ship movement is hollywood physics.

2* Stations do have only hangar and one room. Where are others? Why I can't interact with others in stations?

3* PVE is really, really, really, really, really boring. Level two and I am done with it. Exploration is the same, but with RNG deciding if you get fancy loot after gazillion clicks.

4* Weapons and combat is boring. Press F1 and that's it. Maybe orbit, maybe little bit of distance control, but that's it.

5* Industrial and market are okay, but trading game...not fun. It's boring.

6* Training skills takes forever. Your personal skills do not matter. Skills are just timers that tell you to come back six months later.

7* Game feels like second job. That's not fun.

Ugh!

S!


Is this a real post? Did you not read anything at all about this game prior to subscribing?

I'm going with either: I saw the number $300,000 on a news site and wanted to play; or, I just left WOW and like grinding to spirit armor.

Though I will admit, I expected a realistic space simlator, so the physics bother me. Though I also get bored easily... No wait, that's you, make up your mind. Why did you even think the world needed to see this post?
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#79 - 2014-03-17 23:28:53 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:
Just wait for S_ _ _ C_ _ _ _ _ _ and you'll get a real space sim. I know I am. Twisted



bla bla bla bla a WoW in space clone.



ha ha ha you're a funny guy, I got a good laugh out of that


It is true though, sc will be a care bear mmo, with pvp sliders and consensual only combat. It's a pity I was looking forward to it, but can't be arsed now.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Real Serious PVPer
Doomheim
#80 - 2014-03-17 23:41:36 UTC
In space, the hangers, rats and colors do not matter, all that matters in space is the PVP.
Do more PVP and you will come to recognize this.

[b] Serious about being serious- Putting the "P "into PVP one fight at a time.  MUFC[/b]