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Making money in null sec, a lot harder than people think

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#101 - 2014-03-16 01:23:17 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:


There's no lying about it because it's been proven to be true:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703


You asked how to get a dread on day one.

Thats how you get a dread on day one.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#102 - 2014-03-16 01:25:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


There's no lying about it because it's been proven to be true:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703


You asked how to get a dread on day one.

Thats how you get a dread on day one.


and his answer was to buy a character. Then he said he never said that.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#103 - 2014-03-16 01:29:22 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:


and his answer was to buy a character. Then he said he never said that.


No you started using that answer out of context.
Tajic Kaundur
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#104 - 2014-03-16 01:31:49 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


There's no lying about it because it's been proven to be true:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703


You asked how to get a dread on day one.

Thats how you get a dread on day one.


and his answer was to buy a character. Then he said he never said that.


No.

Your question is essentially "What do I tell a new player?"

You then changed the question to "What do I tell a new player who for some completely inexplicable reason absolutely must fly a Dread 5 seconds into the game?"

This is a logical fallacy known as "moving the goalposts". I suggest you avoid it in the future. It's also why everyone's telling you you're an idiot.

Your question is asking what to tell a new player. The answer to that is "Make a character." You were not (originally) asking what to tell a new player who absolutely must fly a Dread for no obvious reason.

However, what in the hell does a brand new player need a Dread for anyways? It would be even more productive to tell new players what Dreads do, why they're used, and how to use them- which would then clue them in that, in fact, they do not need a Dread.

Can you, honestly, think of any good reason someone 30 seconds into the game actually needs a ship that's only useful for shooting other capitals and sovereignty structures, neither of which are things a new player will even come close to doing?
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#105 - 2014-03-16 01:37:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Tajic Kaundur wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


There's no lying about it because it's been proven to be true:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703


You asked how to get a dread on day one.

Thats how you get a dread on day one.


and his answer was to buy a character. Then he said he never said that.


No.

Your question is essentially "What do I tell a new player?"

You then changed the question to "What do I tell a new player who for some completely inexplicable reason absolutely must fly a Dread 5 seconds into the game?"

This is a logical fallacy known as "moving the goalposts". I suggest you avoid it in the future. It's also why everyone's telling you you're an idiot.

Your question is asking what to tell a new player. The answer to that is "Make a character." You were not (originally) asking what to tell a new player who absolutely must fly a Dread for no obvious reason.

However, what in the hell does a brand new player need a Dread for anyways? It would be even more productive to tell new players what Dreads do, why they're used, and how to use them- which would then clue them in that, in fact, they do not need a Dread.

Can you, honestly, think of any good reason someone 30 seconds into the game actually needs a ship that's only useful for shooting other capitals and sovereignty structures, neither of which are things a new player will even come close to doing?


No, I am the new player and I specifically stated that it was my interest.

His answer was one to a new player, me.

Read it again, I clearly state that I am now personally interested in flying a dreadnought having been just informed that it's possible as a new player.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#106 - 2014-03-16 01:42:42 UTC
Who makes money in Null Sec?

Not the little guy, not the entrepreneur with a dream, not even "the guys" who've done a good job holding up their end of "The Deal".

Nope, it's the slum lords and the greedy cretins that take the view it's "My Space". Fine by me.

Afterall, there's more than one reason its called "NULL" space. Twisted

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Tajic Kaundur
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#107 - 2014-03-16 01:46:23 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:

No, I am the new player and I specifically stated that it was my interest.

His answer was one to a new player, me.

Read it again, I clearly state that I am now personally interested in flying a dreadnought having been just informed that it's possible as a new player.


It is possible.

That doesn't mean it's a good idea, that doesn't mean it doesn't take jumping hurdles to do, and that doesn't mean it's something anyone sane would actually suggest you do.

You're, perplexingly, somehow getting "you can, technically, if you REALLY want to, fly a Dread the day you create your account" and "This is something all new players should do" confused.
Pew Terror
All of it
#108 - 2014-03-16 01:49:53 UTC
This thread is going places! #popcorn
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#109 - 2014-03-16 01:53:45 UTC
Tajic Kaundur wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:

No, I am the new player and I specifically stated that it was my interest.

His answer was one to a new player, me.

Read it again, I clearly state that I am now personally interested in flying a dreadnought having been just informed that it's possible as a new player.


It is possible.

That doesn't mean it's a good idea, that doesn't mean it doesn't take jumping hurdles to do, and that doesn't mean it's something anyone sane would actually suggest you do.

You're, perplexingly, somehow getting "you can, technically, if you REALLY want to, fly a Dread the day you create your account" and "This is something all new players should do" confused.


So how is it possible for a 56k skill point pilot to fly a dreadnought other than buying an account? I can't borrow a friends account because that's account sharing, and according to the EULA: " You may not disclose your Password to anyone or allow anyone to use your Password to access the System or play EVE."

When I asked that question, the answer I was told was to buy an account. Then that person told me he never said that, which is him lying and by his definition, griefing a noob.
stoicfaux
#110 - 2014-03-16 02:06:06 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:

So how is it possible for a 56k skill point pilot to fly a dreadnought other than buying an account? I can't borrow a friends account because that's account sharing, and according to the EULA: " You may not disclose your Password to anyone or allow anyone to use your Password to access the System or play EVE."

When I asked that question, the answer I was told was to buy an account. Then that person told me he never said that, which is him lying and by his definition, griefing a noob.

/facepalm.

Since you're a new player, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. "player" <> "character"

You asked how a *player* (the human being who owns the account) can fly a dread on day 1. The answer is to buy a *character* (aka toon, avatar, thing you create during the character creation process) from the character bazaar that can fly a dread. If you are ignorant of the character bazaar and how it works, go here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=277 and read the stickies.

Also, without malice, I will tell you that you have lost the debate. IMHO, you should do the classy thing and admit that you were "inarticulate" about the situation due to an incomplete understanding of EVE's game mechanics and semantics. Most folks will forgive and/or forget you. To continue reiterating the same argument is just making you look foolish and you risk being baited in the future by the resident tear collectors.

Have a good night.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Marsha Mallow
#111 - 2014-03-16 02:07:56 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Instead, just stop lying.

Don't stop DE, just make it up as you go along. Works just fine. The correct response to anyone attempting to use logic and reason on you is to ram your fingers in your ears and scream until they go away. Scream like this.
ps, you need to add "Tippia is a bad person. Here is where I pwned him on GD" to your sig. Make it look like a killmail or something.
Tajic Kaundur wrote:
Can you, honestly, think of any good reason someone 30 seconds into the game actually needs a ship that's only useful for shooting other capitals and sovereignty structures, neither of which are things a new player will even come close to doing?

Because size matters. And we need people to generate those stories about caps getting ganked on lowsec gates whilst mashing jump, followed by hardcore nerdrage. Let them do what they want, they're adorable. And they drop shinies.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#112 - 2014-03-16 02:10:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
stoicfaux wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:

So how is it possible for a 56k skill point pilot to fly a dreadnought other than buying an account? I can't borrow a friends account because that's account sharing, and according to the EULA: " You may not disclose your Password to anyone or allow anyone to use your Password to access the System or play EVE."

When I asked that question, the answer I was told was to buy an account. Then that person told me he never said that, which is him lying and by his definition, griefing a noob.

/facepalm.

Since you're a new player, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. "player" <> "character"

You asked how a *player* (the human being who owns the account) can fly a dread on day 1. The answer is to buy a *character* (aka toon, avatar, thing you create during the character creation process) from the character bazaar that can fly a dread. If you are ignorant of the character bazaar and how it works, go here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=277 and read the stickies.

Also, without malice, I will tell you that you have lost the debate. IMHO, you should do the classy thing and admit that you were "inarticulate" about the situation due to an incomplete understanding of EVE's game mechanics and semantics. Most folks will forgive and/or forget you. To continue reiterating the same argument is just making you look foolish and you risk being baited in the future by the resident tear collectors.

Have a good night.


Thanks for clarifying that as a new player the only way I can fly a dreadnought early is to buy an account.

I'll make sure I tell that to people who speak with me about them possibly considering joining and playing.

(which is what I've saying from the beginning)
Tajic Kaundur
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#113 - 2014-03-16 02:13:51 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:

Thanks for clarifying that as a new player the only way I can fly a dreadnought early is to buy an account.

I'll make sure I tell that to people who speak with me about them possibly considering joining and playing.

(which is what I've saying from the beginning)


You're right. That is true.

What new player needs a dread, though? This is what you have still failed to establish.

That, and what's the last video game you've played where you have everything unlocked the second you push start? No, seriously, in what game did that last happen? Pong?

You're complaining you can't play level 8-8 in Mario the second you start up the console. Literally no one should be surprised by that. But you are.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#114 - 2014-03-16 02:17:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Divine Entervention wrote:
Thanks for clarifying that as a new player the only way I can fly a dreadnought early is to buy an account.

I'll make sure I tell that to people who speak with me about them possibly considering joining and playing.

(which is what I've saying from the beginning)


You can't buy an account. That is not possible under the EULA.

You can only buy characters for ISK and transfer them between accounts.

Flying a dreadnought is something that only advanced characters can do. It's not surprising that new players creating their own characters can't do that early on.

It's also a good thing. There are enough ALODs already and new players don't need to be losing that sort of ISK early in their play, because the only way they could generate that level of ISK would be through GTC purchases for real cash and selling the resulting plex for ISK. That would be a bad game company that enabled that as a regular part of normal play for people just joining the game.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#115 - 2014-03-16 02:18:01 UTC
Is Divine Entervention the worst new player in the history of EVE?

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#116 - 2014-03-16 02:22:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Thanks for clarifying that as a new player the only way I can fly a dreadnought early is to buy an account.

I'll make sure I tell that to people who speak with me about them possibly considering joining and playing.

(which is what I've saying from the beginning)


You can't buy an account. That is not possible under the EULA.

You can only buy characters for ISK and transfer them between accounts.

Flying a dreadnought is something that only advanced characters can do. It's not surprising that new players creating their own characters can't do that early on.

It's also a good thing. There are enough ALODs already and new players don't need to be losing that sort of ISK early in their play.


Money = Plex Plex = Isk Isk = Money

Considering I can buy plex to turn into isk with money, that means through some sort of sorcery I can essentially "buy" a character. Granted their might be some illegal means to buy a character, but I'm focusing on the legal means.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#117 - 2014-03-16 02:24:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Divine Entervention wrote:
Money = Plex Plex = Isk Isk = Money

Considering I can buy plex to turn into isk with money, that means through some sort of sorcery I can essentially "buy" a character. Granted their might be some illegal means to buy a character, but I'm focusing on the legal means.

Yes of course. That's what I said, except that ISK is not money. You cannot RMT under the EULA.

Was there a question or clarifying point, because I don't see it.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#118 - 2014-03-16 02:28:13 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Thanks for clarifying that as a new player the only way I can fly a dreadnought early is to buy an account.

I'll make sure I tell that to people who speak with me about them possibly considering joining and playing.

(which is what I've saying from the beginning)


You can't buy an account. That is not possible under the EULA.

You can only buy characters for ISK and transfer them between accounts.

Flying a dreadnought is something that only advanced characters can do. It's not surprising that new players creating their own characters can't do that early on.

It's also a good thing. There are enough ALODs already and new players don't need to be losing that sort of ISK early in their play.


Money = Plex Plex = Isk Isk = Money

Considering I can buy plex to turn into isk with money, that means through some sort of sorcery I can essentially "buy" a character. Granted their might be some illegal means to buy a character, but I'm focusing on the legal means.

Yes of course. That's what I said, except that ISK is not money. You cannot RMT under the EULA.

Was there a question or clarifying point, because I don't see it.


So considering that I can use money to buy plex to turn into isk, I can essentially "buy" an account, albeit with isk I got from plex that I bought with money.

So what's the point of you telling me I cannot buy an account within the confines of the EULA, when it's proven and understood between both of us that it is possible to buy an account within the confines of the EULA?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#119 - 2014-03-16 02:30:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Divine Entervention wrote:
So considering that I can use money to buy plex to turn into isk, I can essentially "buy" an account, albeit with isk I got from plex that I bought with money.

So what's the point of you telling me I cannot buy an account within the confines of the EULA, when it's proven and understood between both of us that it is possible to buy an account within the confines of the EULA?
No, you cannot buy an account. That is not legal under the EULA as I already wrote.

You can only buy characters and transfer them between accounts.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#120 - 2014-03-16 02:31:21 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Is Divine Entervention the worst new player in the history of EVE?


He's the worst something, probably the worst {insert words that would make the ISDs blush} . Twisted