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Making money in null sec, a lot harder than people think

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#81 - 2014-03-16 00:36:40 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
So if you're a new player and I tell you that my name is Josh, does that mean every new player will be talking to someone named Josh?


No, I will tell them that James Amril-Kesh's name is Josh. If it's not, if your name is really billy, well my "lie" is only because you initially lied to me, since I'm repeating what you've told me.

If I'm a liar, you are too.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#82 - 2014-03-16 00:38:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
baltec1 wrote:
Rapid heavies, micro jump drive, mwd, and a full set of implants and warp speed rigs that will make it go as fast as an assault frigate.

What is it with you and making battleships skip around like frigates? Bloody wierdo! Lol
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#83 - 2014-03-16 00:39:30 UTC
Every GD thread has the same cast of characters. Only the OP's change.

Speaking of which, take your complaining Divine Entervention to the "serious" thread.

Now that we have a bona fide Goonswarm recruiter and rental agent here, we should get back to the topic at hand. OP, your rental space sucks, and you should inquire with Goons about getting better space.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#84 - 2014-03-16 00:39:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
I'm a new player and you told that to me.
I told you a method of getting into a dread on day 1.

Quote:
So if I'm a liar, you are too. Because I'm repeating what you told me.
No. You are repeating your decision based on the options available to you. It is something completely separate from my explanation of one of those options. You are a liar because you keep attributing your decision to me.

Your being a griefer, a bad person, and generally laughable are just follow-on effects of your incessant and apparently compulsive lying.


I asked for an option. Your answer was for me to buy a character rather than develop my own.

I am a new player, your answer to my question was to buy a character rather than develop my own.

If I'm my telling a new player to buy a new character instead of develop his own is a lie that is considered griefing,

then so is your telling me, a new player, to buy a new character instead of develop my own, a lie that is considered griefing.

Who the message comes from doesn't change the meaning of the message. It's not truth when you speak it, and a lie when I speak it just because you and I are seperate individuals. If it's the same message, it's the same.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#85 - 2014-03-16 00:42:09 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Divine Entervention wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
So if you're a new player and I tell you that my name is Josh, does that mean every new player will be talking to someone named Josh?


No, I will tell them that James Amril-Kesh's name is Josh. If it's not, if your name is really billy, well my "lie" is only because you initially lied to me, since I'm repeating what you've told me.

If I'm a liar, you are too.

So if I tell you something specific to your situation, incidentally also being a new player, you would agree that this advice is specific to you and not new players. Right?

"Go buy a character instead of building up your own". Not advice to new players. Advice to you, who wanted an option for flying a dreadnought as soon as possible.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#86 - 2014-03-16 00:42:13 UTC
Tippia wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Rapid heavies, micro jump drive, mwd, and a full set of implants and warp speed rigs that will make it go as fast as an assault frigate.

What is it with you and making battleships skip around like frigates? Bloody wierdo! Lol


I love my hobbyBig smile

Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#87 - 2014-03-16 00:45:23 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
So if you're a new player and I tell you that my name is Josh, does that mean every new player will be talking to someone named Josh?


No, I will tell them that James Amril-Kesh's name is Josh. If it's not, if your name is really billy, well my "lie" is only because you initially lied to me, since I'm repeating what you've told me.

If I'm a liar, you are too.

So if I tell you something specific to your situation, incidentally also being a new player, you would agree that this advice is specific to you and not new players. Right?

"Go buy a character instead of building up your own". Not advice to new players. Advice to you, who wanted an option for flying a dreadnought as soon as possible.


Unless the new player expresses the similar interest. I am not the only person who could have the same interests as I do.

To think so would be incredible stupidity of whoever thought that.
stoicfaux
#88 - 2014-03-16 00:49:29 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:

Ooooh, do tell.

Or were you making a humorous reference to making 70M isk from anoms in an ishtar? Because, TBH, I wonder what the income would be for a level 3 null-sec agent.




The most humble raven good sir.

Rapid heavies, micro jump drive, mwd, and a full set of implants and warp speed rigs that will make it go as fast as an assault frigate.

Interesting, but then why not use a Typhoon or TFI? Rapids + 4-5 heavy/sentry drones + DDAs + faster hull.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#89 - 2014-03-16 00:51:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Divine Entervention wrote:
I asked for an option.
No. You asked how to do something, but your decision whether or not to actually do it the way I described is entirely up to you. You didn't ask me if you should do it that way, nor did I offer any answer to that question.

Quote:
I am a new player, your answer to my question was to buy a character rather than develop my own.
My answer to the question of how it can be done is that you can buy a character. Since you didn't ask whether you should or not, I didn't offer any normative evaluation of that option.

Quote:
If I'm my telling a new player to buy a new character instead of develop his own is a lie that is considered griefing, then so is your telling me, a new player, to buy a new character instead of develop my own, a lie that is considered griefing.
Wow. That's some mangled grammar. No, if you're telling a new player that he should buy a character, then that's based on your decision. If you tell him that I said he (or you) should do it, you're lying.

I've offered exactly one opinion on something new players should do. Let's see if you can spot it and not lie about it.
Now I'll offer a second one: you should stop lying. You will only ever dig yourself deeper and your word already holds no value due to your many many previous missteps.

Quote:
Who the message comes from doesn't change the meaning of the message
No, but your changing the meaning changes the meaning, and you lying about where that meaning comes from makes it a lie.


You can wiggle around as much as you like. The fact remains: you are a liar.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#90 - 2014-03-16 00:53:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
I asked for an option.
No. You asked how to do something, but your decision whether or not to actually do it the way I described is entirely up to you. You didn't ask me if you should do it that way, nor did I offer any answer to that question.

Quote:
I am a new player, your answer to my question was to buy a character rather than develop my own.
My answer to the question of how it can be done is that you can buy a character. Since you didn't ask whether you should or not, I didn't offer any normative evaluation of that option.

Quote:
If I'm my telling a new player to buy a new character instead of develop his own is a lie that is considered griefing, then so is your telling me, a new player, to buy a new character instead of develop my own, a lie that is considered griefing.
Wow. That's some mangled grammar. No, if you're telling a new player that he should buy a character, then that's based on your decision. If you tell him that I said he (or you) should do it, you're lying.

I've offered exactly one opinion on something new players should do. Let's see if you can spot it and not lie about it.
Now I'll offer a second one: you should stop lying. You will only ever dig yourself deeper and your word already holds no value due to your many many previous missteps.

Quote:
Who the message comes from doesn't change the meaning of the message
No, but your changing the meaning changes the meaning, and you lying about where that meaning comes from makes it a lie.


You can wiggle around as much as you like. The fact remains: you are a liar.


I'm repeating what you've told me, to buy a new character rather than develop my own. Am I lying? well thats because you've lied to me. If I'm repeating what you've said,and what you said was a lie, then you're a liar too.

Because I'm a new player and you consider your answer to my question as lying and griefing, you've just griefed a new player.

A quote that's been saved and will be referred to whenever needed to prove you grief new players by your own definition.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#91 - 2014-03-16 00:53:31 UTC
Harland White wrote:
Sorry but OP is wrong.

I netted 100m per hour doing Sansha Forsaken Hubs in a meta-fitted Oracle (admittedly with Imperial heat sinks). I did two at a time. I'd do both anomalies, then come back in a Noctis and scoop both sites.

Each site required roughly 25ish minutes, and then another 5 minutes to salvage/loot with the Noctis. Sometimes less, sometimes more, but my average for making 100m was 1 hour doing the Forsaken Hubs. I had 550 dps in an Oracle with a 95km optimal range.

You do not need an expensive battleship with 1000+ dps. It IS easy to make a lot more isk in nullsec than hisec.


One of the things I've found in my years of playing is that you have a lot of people who are really really bad at PVE but who don't know it. ALL pve is plagued by this, I once remember a dude telling me I was an idiot for doing plexes the way I did even though the way I did them was safer and faster than his method (like twice as fast lol). Remote repping Machariels the MAZE lol. The day after saying that to me his mach got popped .....in a MAZe...by the torp.


If it takes you 25 minutes to do a forsaken hub anywhere in EVE, you're doing it wrong. Salvaging is also doing it wrong if your goal is to make money because taking the time to salvage means you do fewer sites all together which means fewer escalation/faction spawn (True Sansha in your case) chances ie that chances for the real isk. And missile ships are much better for Sanshas because missiles don't care about tracking disrupting (or range/tracking etc).

The bolded part is the best example of someone who doesn't understand the issue. 100mil an hour doing combat PVE (missions, incursions) isn't hard to do at all and it doesn't even require access to the SOE or Thukker agents. Flying a logi with ISN I was pulling 180 mil an hour repping expensive Vindicators and Machs lol.


As for the OP. No it's not hard to make isk in null actually. It is, however, insanly easy to do in high sec with similarily skilled characters and a browser that can let you look at http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=HomePage .

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#92 - 2014-03-16 00:55:16 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:

Interesting, but then why not use a Typhoon or TFI? Rapids + 4-5 heavy/sentry drones + DDAs + faster hull.



Honestly?

Because the raven is funnier to use. I have yet to test it mind you so it still might not work but it looks right. Its been niggling at me for a few weeks now unfortunately I need to wait on my alt to finish training for it.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#93 - 2014-03-16 00:56:22 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
I'm repeating what you've told me,
Nope.

Quote:
to buy a new character rather than develop my own.
…which I never said was something you should do.

Here are two words you might want to look up for future reference: one is “informative”, the other is “normative”. In your future ventures, you will do well to separate the two and stop blaming others for your mistakes.

Oh, and stop lying. Goodnight.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#94 - 2014-03-16 00:56:55 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:

Ooooh, do tell.

Or were you making a humorous reference to making 70M isk from anoms in an ishtar? Because, TBH, I wonder what the income would be for a level 3 null-sec agent.




The most humble raven good sir.

Rapid heavies, micro jump drive, mwd, and a full set of implants and warp speed rigs that will make it go as fast as an assault frigate.

Interesting, but then why not use a Typhoon or TFI? Rapids + 4-5 heavy/sentry drones + DDAs + faster hull.



Managing sentry aggro is a PITA. I've used the TFI and regular phoon for Anoms and it rocks, but even with active Electronic Warfare going (I like ECM Burst II), you still end up losing the occasional sentry and both phoons kind of beg you to use drones to get the most out of them.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#95 - 2014-03-16 00:57:22 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
I'm repeating what you've told me,
Nope.

Quote:
to buy a new character rather than develop my own.
…which I never said was something you should do.

Here are two words you might want to look up for future reference: one is “informative”, the other is “normative”. In your future ventures, you will do well to separate the two and stop blaming others for your mistakes.

Oh, and stop lying. Goodnight.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#96 - 2014-03-16 00:59:53 UTC
Ok, fine… one last thing.
Divine Entervention wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703
If you're desperately trying to prove that you're not lying, providing indisputable proof that you're lying isn't your best move.

Instead, just stop lying.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#97 - 2014-03-16 01:03:22 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
I'm repeating what you've told me,
Nope.

Quote:
to buy a new character rather than develop my own.
…which I never said was something you should do.

Here are two words you might want to look up for future reference: one is “informative”, the other is “normative”. In your future ventures, you will do well to separate the two and stop blaming others for your mistakes.

Oh, and stop lying. Goodnight.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703


So you're saying you can't read or understand English lol.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#98 - 2014-03-16 01:05:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Jenn aSide wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
I'm repeating what you've told me,
Nope.

Quote:
to buy a new character rather than develop my own.
…which I never said was something you should do.

Here are two words you might want to look up for future reference: one is “informative”, the other is “normative”. In your future ventures, you will do well to separate the two and stop blaming others for your mistakes.

Oh, and stop lying. Goodnight.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703


So you're saying you can't read or understand English lol.


Considering all the evidence to the contrary it's safe to assume the only purpose of this question is to illicit an emotional response.

So you're a troll.

got it.

Also, end your questions with question marks. LoL
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#99 - 2014-03-16 01:17:58 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:

Considering all the evidence to the contrary it's safe to assume the only purpose of this question is to illicit an emotional response.

So you're a troll.

got it.

Also, end your questions with question marks. LoL


Just pointing out yet another flaw in your character. Either you don't know what Tip was saying to you which means you shouldn't have access to a computer for your own safety, OR you do understand are acting like you don't which makes you a liar (and thus an immoral person).

So which is it.

And no question mark there either because only good people are worthy of proper punctuation.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#100 - 2014-03-16 01:19:43 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:

Considering all the evidence to the contrary it's safe to assume the only purpose of this question is to illicit an emotional response.

So you're a troll.

got it.

Also, end your questions with question marks. LoL


Just pointing out yet another flaw in your character. Either you don't know what Tip was saying to you which means you shouldn't have access to a computer for your own safety, OR you do understand are acting like you don't which makes you a liar (and thus an immoral person).

So which is it.

And no question mark there either because only good people are worthy of proper punctuation.


There's no lying about it because it's been proven to be true:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703