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Making money in null sec, a lot harder than people think

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#21 - 2014-03-15 21:28:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Divine Entervention wrote:
So don't go into null for the first year.

Got it
How did you get “not in the first year” from 56k SP and 1.5 months?
No, you haven't “got it”.

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what else aren't new people allowed to do because "veterans" want to maintain some form of internet based superiority simply for having chosen to play a game before others, giving them free wins while they have no skill compared to new players who are better than them in all aspects of existence?
Literally nothing. And there is no “what else about it”, because going into null isn't on the list to begin with.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#22 - 2014-03-15 21:33:17 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
So don't go into null for the first year.

Got it
How did you get “not in the first year” from 56k SP and 1.5 months?
No, you haven't “got it”.

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what else aren't new people allowed to do because "veterans" want to maintain some form of internet based superiority simply for having chosen to play a game before others, giving them free wins while they have no skill compared to new players who are better than them in all aspects of existence?
Literally nothing. And there is no “what else about it”, because going into null isn't on the list to begin with.


So I can fly a titan day 1? You said there's nothing I can't do.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#23 - 2014-03-15 21:34:09 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
So I can fly a titan day 1? You said there's nothing I can't do.
Nope.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-03-15 21:37:44 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
So I can fly a titan day 1? You said there's nothing I can't do.
Nope.


Got it, now what else* aren't new people allowed to do because "veterans" want to maintain some form of internet based superiority simply for having chosen to play a game before others, giving them free wins while they have no skill compared to new players who are better than them in all aspects of existence?

*What else because we've already established your "nothing" was wrong.
Django Askulf
Black Rebel Death Squad
#25 - 2014-03-15 21:37:56 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:

Best I can do in the drone regions is 15m ISK an hour and that's only because of there is a low sec level anomaly (drone herd) that I can handle. By the way I was making 15m ISK an hour in high sec with lvl 4 missions.

So my point is yes the ISK in null sec may be higher, but it requires a lot more skills than most new players are going to have.


Around 3 months old, less than 5m SP, I was sneaking out to rat in the Drone Regions, in a fail DPS Talos, with a cloak. I made 15m an hour just belt ratting, and not even trying hard. Just off of bounties.

Mind you this was ninja'n it, I wasnt even in one of those carebear null renter corps/alliances, with blues all around.

Dunno how youre having such a hard time.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#26 - 2014-03-15 21:41:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Divine Entervention wrote:
Got it
What did you get this time, because the last time you “got” something, it was completely wrong.

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now what else* aren't new people allowed to do because "veterans" want to maintain some form of internet based superiority simply for having chosen to play a game before others, giving them free wins while they have no skill compared to new players who are better than them in all aspects of existence?
Still literally nothing, and there is no “what else” about it since the list is completely empty.

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What else because we've already established your "nothing" was wrong.
You haven't established anything. You've made things up out of whole cloth and tried to inject it as a basis for something, as you always do when reality doesn't match your wishes.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-03-15 21:43:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Got it
What did you get this time, because the last time you “got” something, it was completely wrong.

Quote:
now what else* aren't new people allowed to do because "veterans" want to maintain some form of internet based superiority simply for having chosen to play a game before others, giving them free wins while they have no skill compared to new players who are better than them in all aspects of existence?
Still literally nothing, and there is no “what else” about it since the list is completely empty.

Quote:
What else because we've already established your "nothing" was wrong.
You haven't established anything. You've made things up out of whole cloth and tried to inject it as a basis for something, as you always do when reality doesn't match your wishes.


Can a new player fly a dreadnought day 1?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#28 - 2014-03-15 21:43:57 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Can a new player fly a dreadnought day 1?
Yes, but that's not what you're asking, now is it?
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-03-15 21:45:04 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Can a new player fly a dreadnought day 1?
Yes, but that's not what you're asking, now is it?


Please tell me how a new player can fly a dreadnought day 1. This is something I'm seriously interested in upon having just learned of it's possibility.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#30 - 2014-03-15 22:01:41 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Got it
What did you get this time, because the last time you “got” something, it was completely wrong.

Quote:
now what else* aren't new people allowed to do because "veterans" want to maintain some form of internet based superiority simply for having chosen to play a game before others, giving them free wins while they have no skill compared to new players who are better than them in all aspects of existence?
Still literally nothing, and there is no “what else” about it since the list is completely empty.

Quote:
What else because we've already established your "nothing" was wrong.
You haven't established anything. You've made things up out of whole cloth and tried to inject it as a basis for something, as you always do when reality doesn't match your wishes.


Can a new player fly a dreadnought day 1?


I can't fly a dreadnaught.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-03-15 22:19:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:

You have it backwards. It's high-sec that needs a highly skilled pilot in a t2/pirate bling fit battleship to make 100+M an hour (most of that in non-liquid isk, i.e. LP, loot and salvage.) It's null where you can make 70M isk (in liquid isk) per hour with a T2 fit, relatively low skilled sentry Ishtar.

-1 for dredging up an old discussion without providing any meaningful data (e.g. spreadsheets of compiled anon/mission running data.)



I may have found a way to beat your 50mil/hr ishtar in level 3 missions.

API or never happened? Cool

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Salvos Rhoska
#32 - 2014-03-15 22:25:14 UTC
A new player can fly a Titan on Day 1, by purchasing a character from the Bazaar that is capable of doing so.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-03-15 22:25:30 UTC
been said before but I'll say it again, to make the large amounts of isk you seen thrown around in high sec, you need lots of skills and blinged ship, not to mention you have to have several agents and/or be able to decline several missions just so you can get the most profitable ones, which is not advisable for most, and you need a high lp/isk ratio which again with several agents close to each other is not likely.

If you do the missions regularly as anyone casually does with a normal t2 fit ship, you'll barely reach those high numbers.

Psychotic Monk for CSM9 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 you want content in highsec? vote Monk
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#34 - 2014-03-15 22:28:07 UTC
Alright that makes sense. Whenever I'm speaking with a new character I will tell him he should buy a new character because it's the only way he can be able to do what he wants.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#35 - 2014-03-15 22:31:06 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Alright that makes sense. Whenever I'm speaking with a new character I will tell him he should buy a new character because it's the only way he can be able to do what he wants.

So you think lying to new players is a good thing? Wait… why am I surprised. Straight
stoicfaux
#36 - 2014-03-15 22:32:40 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:

You have it backwards. It's high-sec that needs a highly skilled pilot in a t2/pirate bling fit battleship to make 100+M an hour (most of that in non-liquid isk, i.e. LP, loot and salvage.) It's null where you can make 70M isk (in liquid isk) per hour with a T2 fit, relatively low skilled sentry Ishtar.

-1 for dredging up an old discussion without providing any meaningful data (e.g. spreadsheets of compiled anon/mission running data.)



I may have found a way to beat your 50mil/hr ishtar in level 3 missions.

Ooooh, do tell.

Or were you making a humorous reference to making 70M isk from anoms in an ishtar? Because, TBH, I wonder what the income would be for a level 3 null-sec agent.


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#37 - 2014-03-15 22:33:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Alright that makes sense. Whenever I'm speaking with a new character I will tell him he should buy a new character because it's the only way he can be able to do what he wants.

So you think lying to new players is a good thing? Wait… why am I surprised. Straight


While I was compiling a list of what new players shouldn't and can't do, you suggested as your only answer to the question of "how to fly a titan and dreadnought" was to "buy a character".

So it's not lying, according to you it's what has to be done.

If you've already forgotten you can scroll up and reread it.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#38 - 2014-03-15 22:36:40 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
While I was compiling a list of what new players shouldn't and can't do, you suggested as your only answer to the question of "how to fly a titan and dreadnought" was to "buy a character".

So it's not lying, according to you it's what has to be done.

Yes it is, because you arbitrarily inserted “only way” into it all, which makes it a lie (not to mention a very bad idea).

So again, every time you've said “got it” in this thread, you haven't got it at all and have in fact completely and fundamentally misunderstood and misrepresented what was said to you. As a result, you've also completely and fundamentally failed to establish anything.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#39 - 2014-03-15 22:43:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
While I was compiling a list of what new players shouldn't and can't do, you suggested as your only answer to the question of "how to fly a titan and dreadnought" was to "buy a character".

So it's not lying, according to you it's what has to be done.

Yes it is, because you arbitrarily inserted “only way” into it all, which makes it a lie (not to mention a very bad idea).

So again, every time you've said “got it” in this thread, you haven't got it at all and have in fact completely and fundamentally misunderstood and misrepresented what was said to you. As a result, you've also completely and fundamentally failed to establish anything.


So the ONLY WAY is for them to buy a new character. Which is why I will tell them to. I will do the public service of informing prospective eve subscribers that I've been told on the forums that they should buy a character.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#40 - 2014-03-15 22:45:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Divine Entervention wrote:
So the ONLY WAY is for them to buy a new character. Which is why I will tell them to.
Why would you lie to new players? Or, well… I know why you would, but in more general terms: what kind of horrible person would go out of his way to deliberately misinform players about the game like that?

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I will do the public service of informing prospective eve subscribers that I've been told on the forums that they should buy a character.
Griefing is not a public service, nor is lying.