EVE General Discussion

There is no reason not to boost the EHP and fitting capabilities of Mining Barges and Merchant ships to adapt to their most likely adversary.

The best weapon a miner has against a ganker is their brain. Live with it, OP.

And yet you keep claiming I am.

As long as we have cleared that up, then we can get back to the issue of 'voodoo universe'.

The rules of EvE are not voodoo at all. They are quite concrete and clear and must be followed under the EULA or players can face RL bans on their privileges to access the game.

The rules of EvE do however create a fictional galaxy with a code of law different to the criminal codes of RL. RL standards of crime do not apply in EvE, because it has it's own separate set of criminal codes.

So the earlier post referring to what is OK in the USA doesn't apply to EvE because in EvE it is quite possible to shoot other player ships. You've done it yourself in a perfectly legal way under the rules, yet that same process of a group of friends declaring war on someone else whenever they like doesn't exist in real life.

So to survive in EvE, players need to think in terms of what is possible within the rules of EvE, not what is possible within the different societies we each live in (each with their own standards of behaviour).

and why should CCP offer you turrets and ecm, sentry drones and all that on your freighter when you can just have friends or hire some logistics ??

you know like those mean nasty pirates that gank with more than 1 ship
friendship is ******* magic!

now let's say CCP does give you all that, when 20+ tornadoes come knocking on your door and somehow your ECM couldn't handle that (somehow), what are you gonna ask for ? a doomsday device for sub caps?

These would become perfect ganking ships.

No need to worry about Tornadoes. Every highsec miner would be looking sideways at the guy next to him in belt. It would be so easy for gankers to approach a miner. It would be the perfect disguise.

300 years ago, the people at the location where the state of Kansas is right now did not have the same morality as it does today.

Just because EvE has no firmly established, majority agreed upon stance regarding right and wrong does not mean that we cannot apply what we feel is right and wrong.

My choice is to use real life morality and inject it into EvE because to this date, it's the most civilized and least barbaric existence humanity has known. Considering the correlation between human technologic and social advancement, while not being absolutely correct, there's a high chance that we should expect people who've advanced technologically enough to fly space ships and make people immortal, that socially they should've progressed as well.

Now you get to choose which you want to do, which is fine. But I get to choose what I want to do, too. Now the issue presents itself when your choiceto do what you want to do directly impedes my ability to do what I want, within reason. If I want to blow you up and you want to blow me up, well you winning doesn't make you a bad person, just better at our competing self desired goals.

But if I want to mine space rocks while having no desire to blow you up and you force your desire onto me with the intention to "make me mad", well you're violating my person, proving to me through your actions that you feel you're desire is more important than my own when I don't wish to compete with you, but rather live harmoniously with you.

Now considering that we're all within the realm of an imaginary universe, if my character wishes to mine, it's because my real life person has decided it. If your character wishes to blow up my miner to make him cry, well that's because your real person decided it.

If it's your desire to derive pleasure as a result of inflicting pain, cruelty, degradation, or humiliation on others, regardless of online or offline, that's the action of a bad person. And just because you do it within the confines of a "enchanted hexagon" doesn't mean you get to separate your action with your real self.

Where not in Kansas anymore Toto.

The rules of the Kansas 300 years ago have no bearing on EvE in any way.

Everybody can fight already.

Your best response is not to fight. You have a mechanism for that in Concord. Your best response is to survive.

That is obviously not the case. See an aforementioned definition of ganking.

I edited my response above, so I'll repeat it here just so it hopefully adds to the conversation.

Your best response to a gank is not to fight. It's to survive. Concord already gives you a 100% chance of defeating the gankers ship. You only need to stop them from defeating yours.