EVE General Discussion

It is very easy to avoid a wardec in high sec if you don't want to fight back.

With post like these you are now attracting the flock of forum parrots that will come to tell you that eve is a cold world, eve is hard and blah blah blah.

Fight back or drop corp, but don't whine.

Citation needed.

High-sec merely raises the threshold for PvP, it does not eliminate its occurance.

Aggression is not a matter of consent in EVE, as demonstrated and supported by extant, past and current, key mechanics.

You are operating from a false assumption and premise, that high-sec is "supposed" to be PvP immune.
Who told you that? Where did you get that idea into your head?

Its simply not true.

Its no different than operating from the false premise that the world is flat, and then wondering why physics repeatedly fails to perform as you expect it to. In which case its not physics which is not operating as you "think it should", its your own delusion and false premise which is not conforming or accurate as to the world actually being eound, no matter how much you believe it is flat.

You are probably right that wardeccing can use some adjustment, but not based on the false premise that High-sec "should" be devoid of PvP, which simply and incontrovertibly, false.

OP has a point.

It takes 1 billion isk + skills to form an alliance.

How much does a wardec cost?

It costs 50 million isk, plus an additional cost for each member in the target corporation/alliance above 51. It will now start to increase with the 51st member and reach the ceiling of 500 million ISK at 2000 members.

War is very trivial in EVE. A 1000 member corp can declare war on a 5 member corp. That's not war, thats extortion and it trivializes the whole concept of war.

I think perhaps an inverse porportion cost might work. The less members a target wardec corp has, the more it will cost you to wardec them.


EDIT: Required Wardec skills might be a good addition as well.

Does it matter? If you're willing to cough up that billion and not just create a corporation — already signifying that you accept the possibility of wardecs — but an entire alliance, thereby communicating that you're intending to set up a large group of people for mutual benefit, why should you be afforded any kind of pay-wall protection?

You've communicated twice over that you're willing to be a target. You've communicated that you're willing to put together a large force of people. If at that point you can't handle being a target and can't bring all those people together, you weren't ready to have an alliance to begin with.

…is a legitimate business model in EVE. It's also ridiculously easy to avoid and evade.

Maybe wardecs wouldn't happen if people didn't fly expensive ships around while under a wardec. A few good kills can fund an entire operation while maiking a nice profit for the aggressors.

Why not just force the wardec target to pay for all of the costs?

Causing ISK loss is about the only outcome from wardecs in any case. At least this way you can extort people properly.

Or they could just join up with any of the multitude of merc alliances and just enjoy the wardecs they make.

The only thing I'd like to be seen done to wardec costs is to reverse the formula maths. It should be based on the size of your corp/alliance, not the size of your target.
As this would mean large alliances have increased costs to pick on small ones, while small corps can nibble at the holdings of large alliances cheaply.

Perfect example of this can be seen in Highsec Poco's. Once a large group gets hold of one, the wardec cost becomes not worth it for a small group wanting to nibble away at one or two for personal use. While if the costs were reversed they could try it on much cheaper and see if a fleet actually turned up to defend the timer or couldn't be bothered.

However that's the only thing I'd like to see. The minimum of 50 Mil seems reasonable. While having a max cap in place prevents it spiralling totally out of control.

Hundreds, perhaps thousands of small player run corporations manage to not get wardecced everyday.

you got some baits..
I'm disappointed.



if anything wardec costs should be reduced.



you might laugh but that's exactly how I thought when I started and still do, man I can't wardec any corp the cost to maintain it is too high, this sucks..