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The Eve Fallacy That Drives Me Nuts

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Pain Killer13
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#181 - 2014-03-18 04:46:20 UTC
Kate 'on wrote:


don't mean to be harsh, but it might be a bit early to start telling people what they do, and don't know in the game.


I don't know everything about the game, not even close. But this is one thing I do know. Look, 9 pages in and you still have people defending the fallacy.
Pain Killer13
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#182 - 2014-03-18 04:47:48 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Please tell me, that by page 9, the OP wrapped his head around this.


Not even close. I can't believe people are still fighting me and the others on this point. It's a non-opinion based topic. It's black and white. Yet they just can't grasp it...
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#183 - 2014-03-18 05:17:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Pain Killer13 wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Please tell me, that by page 9, the OP wrapped his head around this.


Not even close. I can't believe people are still fighting me and the others on this point. It's a non-opinion based topic. It's black and white. Yet they just can't grasp it...



It is a matter of objective versus subjective or maybe math versus psychology.

Of course the same implants give you the same % benefit whether you are 1 week old or 10 years old. If they save you 2 days per month they will save that regardless of the level of the skill you train ... and yes I also agree your toon 5 years down the track would be minisculey better off with "100 mill + 200,000" SP instead of just the 100 mill SP if you had got the +5s earlier.

However I still argue that unless you are really OCD about optimising SP from day one, your skills early on will train "fast enough" that you get access to new stuff at a reasonable rate without plugging in 800 mill plus ISK worth of + 5s. if you have the 800 mill go for it, but I believe it is bad for new players to get TOO obsessive about SP and send themselves broke on implants when they should be out enjoying the game.

Add to this the fact that new players with big implants tend to hide in highsec and never risk PvP neverlone going near lowsec/null and you can see the disadvantages of SP obsession can more than offset the advantage of the pricey implants.
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#184 - 2014-03-18 05:52:22 UTC
Seems like you're making a big deal over someone poorly expressing the trade off.

You're correct that the increase is the same for raw SP generation. Most vets will say, however, that it isn't worth the investment of ISK early on. Take your time, earn LP and convert them to implants later. Or have fun pirating where your activities will bring you sufficient ISK to buy them eventually.

You get far more from focusing your training than from worrying about raw SP generation.

Just my 2 cents.

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Salvos Rhoska
#185 - 2014-03-18 07:33:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
TLDR

You skill faster with implants than you do without.
That is equally true for new and old characters.

I you can afford to lose them, use them.
If you cant, dont.

/thread.
Marvin Narville
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#186 - 2014-03-18 22:03:39 UTC
Pain Killer13 wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Please tell me, that by page 9, the OP wrapped his head around this.


Not even close. I can't believe people are still fighting me and the others on this point. It's a non-opinion based topic. It's black and white. Yet they just can't grasp it...


I feel your pain.
I wish more people would grasp my phallacy as well.
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