EVE General Discussion

As I was flying in the Everyshore region, I ran across this message posted in small secure containers at two jump gates.

ATTENTION CODE permit holding miners are now subject to bumps and ganks DO NOT buy permits.

Looks like someone has created a NEW New Order with the message that mining permits are worthless.

When were they worth anything to start with?

Unless it is an official CODE. can, its message is worthless.

You fail to account for the invaluable ganker tears over the fact you actually survived in your profit calculations however.
Also Op, New Order permits were never worth anything. They were a pure scam from day 1. Though their main scam is actually their donation drive to get free money off other people not involved.

The new order permits just mean that:

In the very limited part of space they actually operate ...

1) Normal gankers (and alts of new order people) will gank you as per normal. Working as expected.
2) New Order Gankers will try and find some part of the "Code" you have not complied with and then gank you.
3) The odd person that dislikes New Order may gank you because you DO have a permit.

All the ones I've seen have belonged to young pilots in NPC corps.

I bloody hate NPC corps, one of the delights of EVE is "everything has consequences" and by extension "you are responsible for your actions". NPC corp wardec immunity completely undermines the cause and effect mechanic by removing a large chunk of effect.

"Hiding" on an alt or using alts for logistics is one thing - for a start you might get caught out and linked to a pilot you care about ; but from an NPC corp I could bump you, gank you, scam you, steal from you, lie about you, swarm your mining system, spam about you in local... and there's nothing much you can do in retribution without taking a suicide penalty.

Taking out a code-compliant miner would require ~effort~ so it's unlikely to be anything other than some bumphurt whinebear venting. Seems to be a few of those posting in this thread, too.

The New Order have provided a vast amount of content for huge numbers of people in high sec.
Content provision is a scam now?
Mind blown.

Pop over to the zkillboard and type in CODE. (there is a period at the end). 21,876 ships and pods destroyed, 2,636,801,838,245 ISK lost (that's 2.6 trillion). All for not having a permit. And CODE. , while it represents a large fraction of the New Order is just that, a fraction.

Yes, you can make the decision to resist the, currently, largest group of players who are making a consistent, wide spread effort to gank the particular type of ship you fly. You can come on the forums and make disparaging comments on your non-miner alt. You can even go in local and proclaim the New Order in-effective and "a scam". But you can't undo all the carnage, explosive tear extraction and even the effect of just one Agent in local who tells a miner, "Permit or bump." and then proceeds to enforce the Code by either removing the miner from his ship or his ship from the belt.

As for the players who have decided to bump permit holders or the one I have seen that actually attempts to gank them. They are doing New Order work in their own way. If a miner thinks a permit gives him permission to sit next to an asteroid in an untanked ship and mine to his hearts content he has not understood the message of the Code. A miner who follows the Code won't usually be successfully ganked, he will cheerfully congratulate his bumper or ganker in local if successful and he will understand his position in the food chain of Eve.

Carebears always focus on the permits. This is because their entire Eve experience revolves around ISK. The Agents and the Knights of the New Order have moved beyond this need and have self-actualized around the concept of making the game more dangerous, more exciting... better. The permit is only one step on the miner's journey to this higher level of play. He must embrace ALL of the Code. Once he does this the efforts of the anti-New Order bumpers or gankers become another facet of the emergent gameplay the New Order brings to Eve.

Anyone who plays Eve and can get past the "LEAVE ME ALONE!" phase understands that the game is more fun because we exist. If for no reason other than this, the permits have never been worthless.

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