EVE General Discussion

WTF Hub Zero stll exists?

Didn't it die in like 2010?

It's alive and well, actually. Went and saw for myself. Unfortunately I don't get time to play so there's not much more I can say for little details except that what IZ said is generally accurate.

hey buddy !! ok a few basic lessons for you..

1/ low sec = pvp area! any one with half a brain and no loyalty to others or commitment to a cause can be found here.. low sec is festering with these kinds of people. expect the unexpected and expect to get ganked often while there.
2/ most pvp players only fight when they are 100% sure they can win. you will find the odd one that can win alone but he usually has a good amount of sp around the 50-60 mill mark so not much chance really. they stay hidden and in the systems next door ready to pounce so you dont know they are getting ready. if you have friends around you are safe versus 1-2 players in local. these low sec pvpers have little to no spine. not hardcore enough to contribute and play a loyal roll in null sec and empire requires them to put in a war dec which means the people they want to kill will know in advance giving them time to take action they dont like any of these which is why they are in low sec. the indicator of their nature is their toons sec status. if its **** poor then they are upo to no good. the ones with good standings are a little more honorable and will leave you be.
3/ in low sec you can drop 100 dreads 100 carriers and 100 titans on any ones **** any where any time and nothing can be done to stop it. this is another reason why these guys like low sec. in null sec you cant do that! you first have to go in by the boat load to remove any cyno jammers which involves a massive fleet fight usually in sub cap ships. it means they can drop their carriers on your hulk and do some serious over killing. it usualy ends up on you tube the same day aswell.


my advice -

1 / understand and know what it is your getting into. learn to live in low sec if you want to play in low sec.
2/ join a low sec corp and make sure you have friends too.
3/ if your truely bothered about loosing your stuff but still wanting to live in low sec.. im afraid your going to have to bite the bullet. its you the i will be nice to you if your nice to me type!! versus the **** yea !! lets kill him types. the result is not in your favor. simply put you cannot expect to make money in low sec alone on a long term basis.. people will start to track you and follow you and then kill you. find a corp buddy that lives and works in low sec. and yea it may mean you have to do stuff for them.

Hmmm. No killboard stats to go by, nor much for the Corp you are in either, so difficult to see how much lowsec experience you have.

However, if you truly believe what you typed, it seems apparent that you have only limited experience of lowsec living and solo pvp.

Heh. The same can be said of the character you used to respond to this quite sensible post.
Perhaps you should judge his words on their own merit, as they ring true to me without having to resort to epeen comparisons.

..except for the bit where he paints null sec F1 monkeys as 'hardcore', ofc.

you might need to go check again. Zkilllboard is a good place.

Not an peen comparison at all. That kind of thing is silly. It's just that a lot of what he wrote doesn't match with what I observe on a daily basis. The post was judged totally on the words written.

Sure:



This one to begin with. Look at Corps like We Fight, Stay Frosty and The Tuskers as 3 quick examples.

They are 3 Corps where the pilots will just about take on any fight, whether they stand a chance to win or not. Look for example at the killboard of Liija Cuu. He is one example of a pilot that will take on any and all targets possible just to see what happens.

There are many more examples of that, including myself. I'll take on fights even if I know I'm likely to lose, particularly where it's against ships I don't often face because the experience and the lesson is worth the loss. There are a lot of pilots in GalCal FW space I know have a similar approach to pvp.



This again just doesn't match my experience. There are a lot of pilots with about 6-7 months in the game that solo through FW space. I currently stand at 10.5 million and win more than I lose. There are also other pilots in a similar situation. Sometimes I beat them, sometimes I don't; but a lot of pilots have fewer than 50 million SP and still fight effectively.



This again is totally different to the experience I have on a daily basis. Sure there are small gangs where a bait ship or scout will jump into system with the remainder of the fleet on gate. But look at a heap of Corps like Brave Newbies, Nasranite Watch, QCATS, Justified Chaos, etc. Their pilots have spines and just enjoy fighting.



The reason a lot of pilots are in lowsec is because they enjoy faction warfare, not because they are not loyal enough to join a nullsec Corp. That doesn't even make any sense. There are a lot of other reasons that have nothing to do with a lack of loyalty towards nullsec.

Some people like being in lowsec, but that doesn't equate to low loyalty, nor to not being hardcore. Some of the FW Corps and Alliances fight almost constantly while online. There's nothing soft about their pilots.

Since the introduction of security tags and handing them in at Concord Bureau's, sec status means much less than it used to. -10 pirates are still -10 pirates who will engage anyone and are regularly engaged wherever they go.

But someone with a fairly neutral sec status isn't someone to think might leave you alone.

In relation to his 3rd point, post me examples of 100 dreads, 100 carriers and 100 titans dropping on anyone in lowsec. That just doesn't happen with any sort of regularity. There may be one or two examples somewhere, but this just isn't a thing in lowsec.

Even if it did, knowing the Corps and pilots in FW space, the reasons would have nothing to do with not wanting to cope with the mechanics of nullsec. It would have much more to do with their involvement in FW, but it just doesn't happen unless I'm totally blind.

So where have I gone wrong there?

This is also way off topic, but his facts were anything but.

PS. The ships I fly has nothing to do with not having any spine. That's just what I can fly. If I could fly bigger ships effectively, I would in the right circumstances. The targets I take on are the ones that are there and there is way more than throw away alts. A lot of fights where it looks like me and someone else were solo fights, because the other one was a rat in a plex. The largest fight I've taken on is 9 v 1 and have multiple engagements taking on multiple targets. I'm relatively comfortable that I have a handle on what is realistic in whining about lowsec pilots. I still can't see how his post was made on the basis of a lot of experience in lowsec, certainly not in GalCal FW space. It just seems like he had a bad experience once and hasn't got over it.

You say all that like it's a bad thing.



Ahh, ok, whew. Almost lost me there.

Not really. Bubbles definitely needed to be there

*****, please.