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Why is eve being full of scamers gankers bumpers and liars?

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Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2014-03-13 22:48:50 UTC
Dain Rokjaw wrote:
NPC corp suggesting lack of "courage in conviction",, check.
Overly bad spelling, (hopefully on purpose), and careless presentation, check
Female portrait, unlikely to actually be in the 4%, confused identity, check.
Over-inflated sense of self importance, claiming topic ownership, check
Frequent replies and hitting "refresh", attention seeking, check
Completely ignoring reasonable attempts at discussion, check

All signs point to male adolescent trying too hard, probably raging hormones around early puberty. I prescribe a healthy dose of "grow the **** up"...

Big smile

way to make asumptions and be constructive and discussion, dude Roll -1/10
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#62 - 2014-03-13 22:49:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Claud Tiberius wrote:
They have everything to do with each other.
…except for one being real and the other being in a game. Granted, those suffering from pathologies like schizophrenia and borderline personality disorder have a tendency not to be able to make the distinction, but that's in the perception of the action — not in the action itself — and that incorrect connection is why they're labelled as disorders. It still doesn't mean the character and the person have anything to do with each other, but rather that unhealthy people try to invent connections that don't exist.

Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
its hard to find ""normal"" ppl though... i was hoping a discusion would help, but aparently not
Again, it would maybe have helped if you had avoided being hostile and baselessly judgemental from the get-go.

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way to make asumptions and be constructive and discussion, dude
He's doing exactly the same thing you're doing, you know…
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#63 - 2014-03-13 22:49:48 UTC
What we have here, is a failure of people realizing they are the product of their actions.




to communicate
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#64 - 2014-03-13 22:52:08 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
What we have here, is a failure of people realizing they are the product of their actions.
So I take it you haven't realised that you're prejudiced yet, then?
Dain Rokjaw
Doomheim
#65 - 2014-03-13 22:53:02 UTC
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
Dain Rokjaw wrote:
NPC corp suggesting lack of "courage in conviction",, check.
Overly bad spelling, (hopefully on purpose), and careless presentation, check
Female portrait, unlikely to actually be in the 4%, confused identity, check.
Over-inflated sense of self importance, claiming topic ownership, check
Frequent replies and hitting "refresh", attention seeking, check
Completely ignoring reasonable attempts at discussion, check

All signs point to male adolescent trying too hard, probably raging hormones around early puberty. I prescribe a healthy dose of "grow the **** up"...

Big smile

way to make asumptions and be constructive and discussion, dude Roll -1/10


Evidence. Observation.

And there's been little constructive in this thread since (and including) the first post. People have tried, but you've ignored them like a spoiled brat...
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#66 - 2014-03-13 22:54:16 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
What we have here, is a failure of people realizing they are the product of their actions.
So I take it you haven't realised that you're prejudiced yet, then?


People who are prejudiced tend to be slow to change their ways. Some never do.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#67 - 2014-03-13 22:54:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
What we have here, is a failure of people realizing they are the product of their actions.
So I take it you haven't realised that you're prejudiced yet, then?


It's not a prejudice if I'm making the judgement on the evidence provided to me through their actions.

If I judged your character as being good at cooking and cleaning because it's a female avatar, that would be prejudice.

I find it disheartening that after a month you still haven't learned that prejudice is short for pre judgement.

its postjudice, if I make the judgement based on evidence.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#68 - 2014-03-13 22:54:46 UTC
The real question isn't "why are all these 'bad' (Ie content creating) people in EVE".

IMHO the real question is this: why are all these really squeemish people totally unsuited to sandbox style gaming playing a sandbox game then complaining about it's sandbox nature? And why can't they understand that they are the misfits, not the people playing the game within the rules.

I wonder if Grand Theft Auto has a forum where people constantly post "Why you slap innocent Hoes, you must slap Hoes in real life" threads?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#69 - 2014-03-13 22:57:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Divine Entervention wrote:
It's not a prejudice if I'm making the judgement on the evidence provided to me through their actions.
…but since you don't have any such evidence, it is. All you're doing is making judgement based on baseless and nonsensical assumptions that are in every way completely disconnected from any kind of reality.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#70 - 2014-03-13 22:57:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Jenn aSide wrote:
The real question isn't "why are all these 'bad' (Ie content creating) people in EVE".

IMHO the real question is this: why are all these really squeemish people totally unsuited to sandbox style gaming playing a sandbox game then complaining about it's sandbox nature? And why can't they understand that they are the misfits, not the people playing the game within the rules.

I wonder if Grand Theft Auto has a forum where people constantly post "Why you slap innocent Hoes, you must slap Hoes in real life" threads?


O no, I find it perfectly fine that people who wish to do bad things use EVE as their platform to do those bad things. I mean, I understand bad people exist in and out of game. While they may be unenjoyable aspects of the game, the rest of it more than makes up for thousands and thousands of bad apples.

EvE is a great game, regardless of bad people trying to **** it up. If anything, it makes a much more vibrant contrast of possibility.

Bad people get to do bad things, and I get to judge them as inferior for choosing to do bad things when they could just as easily be making the choice to do good things.

EvE is great. Choices are great.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#71 - 2014-03-13 22:58:34 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

I wonder if Grand Theft Auto has a forum where people constantly post "Why you slap innocent Hoes, you must slap Hoes in real life" threads?


The funny thing is, many major news networks seem to believe that statement. Most of the flak that video games get is based on the assumption that people are going to behave the same way in real life as they do playing the video game.

It's the same flawed reasoning that gets movies, books, and television shows censored or outright banned.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#72 - 2014-03-13 22:59:37 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Bad people get to bad things, and I get to judge them
No you don't, because you have no idea what kind of people they are.
In fact, just by arbitrarily classifying them as “bad people”, you are showing staggeringly bad judgement.
Serenity Miner
Faster than Light Inc
#73 - 2014-03-13 23:01:09 UTC
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
I understand eve is free and no rules and blah blah blah. this isnt about ccp or how they manage stuff ... this is about comunity and how full of bad ppl it is! u cant even turn around without running into somone trying to take advantage of u with a lie or something! and its almost always not even for profit or money but just beign EVIL! i mean.... i once join a ""mining/industry"" corp and in 10 mins they try to gank my freighter with alot of battleships, why? and then i almost lose a orca with nothing expensive in hold or fit because of gank? i kno harasment is not alowed (even if alot of other stuff is) so is this even reportable?
anyway thats not the point, its more..... whyy?? why do ppl go to self harm ways to hurt others? is this how pleyers act IRL too? is eve space australia?

editing.... y all the hate ppl? Sad pls stop trolling, im just trying to understand


because the assholes of the world have to go somewhere

Vietnam, Iraq 1 & 2, Afghanistan

4 Wars are enough, Retired US Army O-3
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#74 - 2014-03-13 23:01:18 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
It's not a prejudice if I'm making the judgement on the evidence provided to me through their actions.
…but since you don't have any such evidence, it is. All you're doing is making judgement based on baseless and nonsensical assumptions that are in every way completely disconnected from any kind of reality.


The evidence being shown by the individual choosing to perform the action.

Just as I display what you would consider to be evidence of my being "prejudiced", even though it's wrong because I'm making my judgements on the specific individuals in question based on their actions, I get to use the evidence of their actions as a basis to reach my conclusions on them as a person, since it is their person making the choice.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#75 - 2014-03-13 23:02:54 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Bad people get to bad things, and I get to judge them
No you don't, because you have no idea what kind of people they are.
In fact, just by arbitrarily classifying them as “bad people”, you are showing staggeringly bad judgement.


I do have an idea. Because they've shown me through their actions.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#76 - 2014-03-13 23:04:04 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
The real question isn't "why are all these 'bad' (Ie content creating) people in EVE".

IMHO the real question is this: why are all these really squeemish people totally unsuited to sandbox style gaming playing a sandbox game then complaining about it's sandbox nature? And why can't they understand that they are the misfits, not the people playing the game within the rules.

I wonder if Grand Theft Auto has a forum where people constantly post "Why you slap innocent Hoes, you must slap Hoes in real life" threads?


O no, I find it perfectly fine that people who wish to do bad things use EVE as their platform to do those bad things. I mean, I understand bad people exist in and out of game. While they may be unenjoyable aspects of the game, the rest of it more than makes up for thousands and thousands of bad apples.

EvE is a great game, regardless of bad people trying to **** it up. If anything, it makes a much more vibrant contrast of possibility.

Bad people get to do bad things, and I get to judge them as inferior for choosing to do bad things when they could just as easily be making the choice to do good things.

EvE is great. Choices are great.


Exactly the post that a bad person would make. The 'bad' part is being judmental of people for how they play a video game coupled with this need to be seen as superior (inferred by your use of the word inferior).

I mean seriously, it's pitiful. Right this moment there are people in the real world proving they are better than you, helping others, sacrificing their time, effort and sometimes even lives for others while you sit at a key board and falsely prop your self up as a 'good person' because other video game players play a video game in a way you don't like.

It's as i said before, the 'bad' people of EVE are most likely the well adjusted adults who can keep a video game in proper context while the self proclaimed 'good' are simply the ones trying to mask how truly aweful they are deep down inside.
Taegan Kairos
Xenon Salvage Inc.
#77 - 2014-03-13 23:05:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Taegan Kairos
There's plenty of "good people" in Eve. But that's just it, most of them are actually in Eve, playing the game not trawling the forums.

Plus if you start a thread basically saying "everyone who plays this game is an ass-hole" guess what kind of reaction you're going to get...

Not to mention the whole concept of "good" people and "bad" people is ridiculously over simplistic and subject to opinion, especially when you add the impossible criteria of comparing real life and in game actions.

.

[edit] Can't use a mild swear word in context? Bah humbug.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#78 - 2014-03-13 23:05:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Divine Entervention wrote:
The evidence being shown by the individual choosing to perform the action.
…which you've never witnessed. The only choice you've seen is that they play a game.

I take it you are a bad person then since you made the exact same choice?

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Just as I display what you would consider to be evidence of my being "prejudiced"
Nope. You see, I see you making prejudiced claims, which makes me label you as prejudiced. You see people play a game, which makes you draw the unrelated conclusion that they're bad people. If I made the same prejudiced statements you did, I would try to connect your baseless and wild accusations of other people with some cognitive-empathic disorder, which I can't since I haven't been able to make any relevant observations.

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I get to use the evidence of their actions as a basis to reach my conclusions on them as a person
You do, if you ever get to observe their actions, which you don't. All you ever observe is that they're playing a game — same as you. If you want to use such loose connections, we can conclude that you are actually a giraffe.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#79 - 2014-03-13 23:06:17 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

I wonder if Grand Theft Auto has a forum where people constantly post "Why you slap innocent Hoes, you must slap Hoes in real life" threads?


The funny thing is, many major news networks seem to believe that statement. Most of the flak that video games get is based on the assumption that people are going to behave the same way in real life as they do playing the video game.

It's the same flawed reasoning that gets movies, books, and television shows censored or outright banned.


Well said, and most of the people doing the censoring (or asking for the censoring) do so while having their noses stuck in the air because they are the "good people" protecting everyone else from evil....when in fact their actions make them bad people trying to supress freedom.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#80 - 2014-03-13 23:06:45 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
It's as i said before, the 'bad' people of EVE are most likely the well adjusted adults who can keep a video game in proper context while the self proclaimed 'good' are simply the ones trying to mask how truly aweful they are deep down inside.


I've never seen anyone put it so well, I agree. I'll remember this quote when the topic returns in a few days.

Things are only impossible until they are not.