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Aphrodite Jonnes
New Eden Exploration Division
#341 - 2014-03-14 19:15:20 UTC
I have proof The New Order idiots don't even know who has a permit.

http://tinypic.com/r/34gsdwo/8
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#342 - 2014-03-14 19:22:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Aphrodite Jonnes wrote:
I have proof The New Order idiots don't even know who has a permit.

http://tinypic.com/r/34gsdwo/8
I know for a fact that there is/was a spreadsheet that lists the names of all permit holders, and who sold them the permit.

Whether or not the spreadsheet is available to all New Order permit inspectors and still actively maintained would be a question that only CODE. members can answer.

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Aphrodite Jonnes
New Eden Exploration Division
#343 - 2014-03-14 19:43:20 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Aphrodite Jonnes wrote:
I have proof The New Order idiots don't even know who has a permit.

http://tinypic.com/r/34gsdwo/8
I know for a fact that there is/was a spreadsheet that lists the names of all permit holders, and who sold them the permit.

Whether or not the spreadsheet is available to all New Order permit inspectors and still actively maintained would be a question that only CODE. members can answer.



That's the New Order's chat channel. That is their Permit Guru in chat saying he has NO CLUE who has a permit. Nuff said.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#344 - 2014-03-14 19:48:59 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Aphrodite Jonnes wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Aphrodite Jonnes wrote:
I have proof The New Order idiots don't even know who has a permit.

http://tinypic.com/r/34gsdwo/8
I know for a fact that there is/was a spreadsheet that lists the names of all permit holders, and who sold them the permit.

Whether or not the spreadsheet is available to all New Order permit inspectors and still actively maintained would be a question that only CODE. members can answer.



That's the New Order's chat channel. That is their Permit Guru in chat saying he has NO CLUE who has a permit. Nuff said.

Cross post from minerbumging forums:

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Sigh. As has been explained previously, all lists of permit holders are confidential and only a very few agents have access. This is to prevent retaliation against permit holders.


Who do you mean by permit guru?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#345 - 2014-03-14 19:58:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Aphrodite Jonnes wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Aphrodite Jonnes wrote:
I have proof The New Order idiots don't even know who has a permit.

http://tinypic.com/r/34gsdwo/8
I know for a fact that there is/was a spreadsheet that lists the names of all permit holders, and who sold them the permit.

Whether or not the spreadsheet is available to all New Order permit inspectors and still actively maintained would be a question that only CODE. members can answer.



That's the New Order's chat channel. That is their Permit Guru in chat saying he has NO CLUE who has a permit. Nuff said.
I'm unfamiliar with Jared Lennox, it's been a while since I was an active participant in the NO chat channel. It may be that he's unaware of the existence of the records, has no access to the records for security purposes or that they are no longer maintained, either way permit holders are required to place a note in their bio listing the date of purchase and the agent who sold them it.

Any queries you have about the New Order's records would probably be best aimed at James 315, he'll be able to tell you whether or not the New Order still keeps a record of payments made for permits, if it's available to all agents and if the records are still actively updated.

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
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Gallente Federation
#346 - 2014-03-14 20:02:15 UTC
The name of every permit holder is supposed to be sent to James 315 or Black Skull. There is a reason for this.

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Aphrodite Jonnes
New Eden Exploration Division
#347 - 2014-03-14 20:22:36 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Aphrodite Jonnes wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Aphrodite Jonnes wrote:
I have proof The New Order idiots don't even know who has a permit.

http://tinypic.com/r/34gsdwo/8
I know for a fact that there is/was a spreadsheet that lists the names of all permit holders, and who sold them the permit.

Whether or not the spreadsheet is available to all New Order permit inspectors and still actively maintained would be a question that only CODE. members can answer.



That's the New Order's chat channel. That is their Permit Guru in chat saying he has NO CLUE who has a permit. Nuff said.
I'm unfamiliar with Jared Lennox, it's been a while since I was an active participant in the NO chat channel. It may be that he's unaware of the existence of the records, has no access to the records for security purposes or that they are no longer maintained, either way permit holders are required to place a note in their bio listing the date of purchase and the agent who sold them it.

Any queries you have about the New Order's records would probably be best aimed at James 315, he'll be able to tell you whether or not the New Order still keeps a record of payments made for permits, if it's available to all agents and if the records are still actively updated.



That is EXACTLY my point. They are no longer being maintained, so they have no way of knowing who actually has a permit or not.
Aphrodite Jonnes
New Eden Exploration Division
#348 - 2014-03-14 20:29:46 UTC


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Sigh. As has been explained previously, all lists of permit holders are confidential and only a very few agents have access. This is to prevent retaliation against permit holders.


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That's my post on their forums that you are taking the reply from. I have called them out, They are full of ****. That is just an excuse. You refuse to believe what we already know, and that NO is actually quite unorganized, and has no clue about who has a permit and who doesn't. They failed at maintaining their own records. They are incompetent at best. If EVERY member had a copy of the record, there would be no need for fear of retaliation against permit data holders, as everyone would have the information, so that is logic fail.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#349 - 2014-03-14 20:32:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Yea look at all the dudes who felt it was necessary to insult specific people simply because they possess a different opinion.

Disappointing
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#350 - 2014-03-14 20:37:36 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Aphrodite Jonnes wrote:
Quote:
Sigh. As has been explained previously, all lists of permit holders are confidential and only a very few agents have access. This is to prevent retaliation against permit holders.

That's my post on their forums that you are taking the reply from. I have called them out, They are full of ****. That is just an excuse. You refuse to believe what we already know, and that NO is actually quite unorganized, and has no clue about who has a permit and who doesn't. They failed at maintaining their own records. They are incompetent at best. If EVERY member had a copy of the record, there would be no need for fear of retaliation against permit data holders, as everyone would have the information, so that is logic fail.

The issue isn't retaliation against agents or anyone who has access to that list. The issue is retaliation against the people on the list itself. It is incredibly easy to become a new order agent which is part of the point of the movement's design. We want people all over high sec to take matters into their own hands and represent NO. Making such a list accessible to anywhere close to the majority of agents would lead to insanely easy targeting of permit holders. Having the permit in the bio is dangerous enough, but handing our enemies a list of targets would be particularly stupid.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#351 - 2014-03-14 20:46:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Aphrodite Jonnes wrote:
That is EXACTLY my point. They are no longer being maintained, so they have no way of knowing who actually has a permit or not.
Can you prove that the New Order as an organisation has no clue about who has a permit and who does not? It's not unusual for an organisation to withhold information from its agents in the interests of security, or to only release it on a need to know basis.

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That's my post on their forums that you are taking the reply from. I have called them out, They are full of ****. That is just an excuse. You refuse to believe what we already know, and that NO is actually quite unorganized, and has no clue about who has a permit and who doesn't. They failed at maintaining their own records. They are incompetent at best. If EVERY member had a copy of the record, there would be no need for fear of retaliation against permit data holders, as everyone would have the information, so that is logic fail.
You failed to read and understand the relevant part of Bebops post, namely "This is to prevent retaliation against permit holders". It seems that the permit holder records are not available to rank and file members of the New Order, I would go so far as to say that the requirement for permit holders to put their permit status in their bio is probably part of a security measure. The New Order is a fairly open organisation that embraces players from all walks of Eve. The membership ranges from highsec industrialists to nullsec PvPers, keeping access to the permit holders list to a limited few makes sense, otherwise anybody could join the NO, get access to the list and then either sell the list on to others, or use it themselves to persecute people for having a permit.

Divine Entervention wrote:
Yea look at all the dudes who felt it was necessary to insult specific people simply because they possess a different opinion.

Disappointing
You mean by calling them psychopaths and undesirable types that would do harm to random passers-by in real life, because that's what they do in a game?

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#352 - 2014-03-14 20:50:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Yea look at all the dudes who felt it was necessary to insult specific people simply because they possess a different opinion.

Disappointing
You mean by calling them psychopaths and real life undesirable types that would do harm to random passers-by?


Yea, people who take joy at what they perceive to be other's mental ailments are sadists.

If you blow up my ship, and I get mad and rage at you, and then you come to the conclusion that I'm screwed up in the head, and then you continue to prod me and take pleasure from inflicting misery due to my weakness, then you're a ****** up person.

If you perceive someone to be abnormal, and then you act on that notion with the intention to derive enjoyment at their irrational suffering, then you are a bad person for taking advantage of someone else's "issues".
Aphrodite Jonnes
New Eden Exploration Division
#353 - 2014-03-14 20:53:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Aphrodite Jonnes
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Aphrodite Jonnes wrote:
Quote:
Sigh. As has been explained previously, all lists of permit holders are confidential and only a very few agents have access. This is to prevent retaliation against permit holders.

That's my post on their forums that you are taking the reply from. I have called them out, They are full of ****. That is just an excuse. You refuse to believe what we already know, and that NO is actually quite unorganized, and has no clue about who has a permit and who doesn't. They failed at maintaining their own records. They are incompetent at best. If EVERY member had a copy of the record, there would be no need for fear of retaliation against permit data holders, as everyone would have the information, so that is logic fail.

The issue isn't retaliation against agents or anyone who has access to that list. The issue is retaliation against the people on the list itself. It is incredibly easy to become a new order agent which is part of the point of the movement's design. We want people all over high sec to take matters into their own hands and represent NO. Making such a list accessible to anywhere close to the majority of agents would lead to insanely easy targeting of permit holders. Having the permit in the bio is dangerous enough, but handing our enemies a list of targets would be particularly stupid.



What? It's a NO requirement to have that you are a permit holder in your BIO. So what you are saying makes no sense whatsoever. I wasn't talking about giving permit holders the list, just all NO agents. My original point is, the list no longer exists, or is being maintained, so there is no way for agents to know who is or isn't a permit holder. it's all a scam. We all know NO has no intentions of "saving highsec." That's the ruse to shakedown people for ISK. I'm not necessarily against NO, I'm just saying they are full of **** and a bunch of hypocrites. I sent Shinhwa an email about the "of many" mining dudes. He told me they are too big to go after. We all know NO only preys on the weak, because they themselves are weak.
Lady Areola Fappington
#354 - 2014-03-14 20:53:35 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Yea look at all the dudes who felt it was necessary to insult specific people simply because they possess a different opinion.

Disappointing
You mean by calling them psychopaths and real life undesirable types that would do harm to random passers-by?


Yea, people who take joy at what they perceive to be other's mental ailments are sadists.


I'm just here to blow up spaceships and utilize unconventional warfare in order to further my own ISK generation goals. Making sweeping declarations about someone's mental state due to game-behaviour is sillyness.

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#355 - 2014-03-14 21:10:03 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Thread temp permanently locked to do some cleaning for trolling.

Normally I would toil through the entire thread, post by post, to clean it. This thread must be a new record for me as I threw in the towel halfway page one....Sad
As even the OP doesn't seem to be interested in a civil discussion, this thread gets a lock.

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