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Can we get the option to remap our skill points?

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2014-03-13 11:36:16 UTC
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-03-13 11:38:08 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:

Seems illogical to me.

I don't want to be a scientist anymore, I want to be a plumber.

Please don't make me study, just convert my scientific knowledge into plumbing and local planning knowledge.

Doesn't really work as far as I'm concerned. Sorry.



Mate, despite what CCP want you to believe "eve is real".... Eve is NOT real and should not be held to the restrictions of the real world

Dont just [u]think[/u] outside the box, [u]Live[/u] outside of it...
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-03-13 11:39:51 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

Oh absolutely.

I should also be able to use those tokens to remove other people's skillpoints if I don't like them. That would be even more popular, make CCP even more money and as an extra bonus, it would of course benefit new players.




Walking talking proof the CSM is a complete joke

Dont just [u]think[/u] outside the box, [u]Live[/u] outside of it...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#44 - 2014-03-13 12:03:37 UTC
Prie Mary wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Oh absolutely.

I should also be able to use those tokens to remove other people's skillpoints if I don't like them. That would be even more popular, make CCP even more money and as an extra bonus, it would of course benefit new players.

Walking talking proof the CSM is a complete joke

Yes, Malc has a knack for being funny as well as a good representative. Malc for CSM9–40!
Willmahh
#45 - 2014-03-13 13:51:20 UTC
EVE is a game of consequences.

/end discussion.
flakeys
Doomheim
#46 - 2014-03-13 13:57:51 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Trained rorqual - never flew one
Trained phoenix - never flew one
Trained leadership skills wich never served it's purpose
Trained max training skills wich i can do without as i have alts with that set
Trained max research/copy skills wich i never use as my alts cover all the slots


That's just a quick grasp out of excessive skills i have and i have so much stuff i still need to train for things i currently could use on a daily base .... and that said i can with 100 % certainty say i do NOT want a skillpoint remap option in eve .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Ralen Zateki
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#47 - 2014-03-13 14:07:36 UTC
Willmahh wrote:
EVE is a game of consequences.

/end discussion.


This.

"I want a fullly powered wizard that can wear heavy armor and tank like a barbarian while also being able to find traps and backstab like a thief. I'll call it wizbarbthiefassasin."

Oops. Wrong game.
Victor Andall
#48 - 2014-03-13 14:08:36 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Trained phoenix



Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahah!

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#49 - 2014-03-13 14:14:50 UTC
flakeys wrote:

Trained phoenix


Ouch. To be fair, despite my earlier comments, this is a case where I'd be willing to make an exception.
flakeys
Doomheim
#50 - 2014-03-13 14:15:25 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Victor Andall wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Trained phoenix



Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahah!



OI , it once was the best dread out there .



And yes i still like taking my drake out for some pvp too .. screw all ya new players i'm gonna stick with caldari till it kills me as we one day will be the ruling race again as we where 10 years ago .Well actually that stubborness has killed me a lot of times Lol .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#51 - 2014-03-13 14:26:21 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Trained phoenix



Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahah!



OI , it once was the best dread out there .



And yes i still like taking my drake out for some pvp too .. screw all ya new players i'm gonna stick with caldari till it kills me as we one day will be the ruling race again as we where 10 years ago .Well actually that stubborness has killed me a lot of times Lol .


I admire your dedication and fortitude Sir!!

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#52 - 2014-03-13 14:35:55 UTC
Malrikk wrote:
I started playing Eve a long time ago on and off, as my understanding of the game has grown my desires in-game have changed.

My skills are a cluster of clutter from mining to a plethora of various random skills. For instance mining, it was one of the first things I trained and have regretted it ever since. I would love to be able to put those skill points into something else.

I propose a skill remap, possibly a one year timer on it, and it would cost roughly 10% of your skill points as the remap is rather dangerous and memory loss has been known to happen. I believe this would balance out the remap and only the most desperate like myself would use it. Eve Online is a complicated game, and brutal on the newbies, this would go a long way to help some of us out who made a lot of bad decisions early on.


Make it cost PLEX, and I agree with you. But if it costs a percentage of your skill points, most people would never use this feature: Look at me, for example. Playing for about a year and my main would lose roughly two times as much SP as my useless mining skills are worth. So remapping them would be something I literally would have to be seriously medically ******** to do.

But PLEX I can buy, no problem. Especially for a once-a-year feature.
flakeys
Doomheim
#53 - 2014-03-13 14:42:13 UTC
Samillian wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Trained phoenix



Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahah!



OI , it once was the best dread out there .



And yes i still like taking my drake out for some pvp too .. screw all ya new players i'm gonna stick with caldari till it kills me as we one day will be the ruling race again as we where 10 years ago .Well actually that stubborness has killed me a lot of times Lol .


I admire your dedication and fortitude Sir!!




Don't mix dedication with being stubborn.My wife can explain you the difference there in detail if you ask her about my bad sides Blink.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
flakeys
Doomheim
#54 - 2014-03-13 15:01:19 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Owen Levanth wrote:
Malrikk wrote:
I started playing Eve a long time ago on and off, as my understanding of the game has grown my desires in-game have changed.

My skills are a cluster of clutter from mining to a plethora of various random skills. For instance mining, it was one of the first things I trained and have regretted it ever since. I would love to be able to put those skill points into something else.

I propose a skill remap, possibly a one year timer on it, and it would cost roughly 10% of your skill points as the remap is rather dangerous and memory loss has been known to happen. I believe this would balance out the remap and only the most desperate like myself would use it. Eve Online is a complicated game, and brutal on the newbies, this would go a long way to help some of us out who made a lot of bad decisions early on.


Make it cost PLEX, and I agree with you. But if it costs a percentage of your skill points, most people would never use this feature: Look at me, for example. Playing for about a year and my main would lose roughly two times as much SP as my useless mining skills are worth. So remapping them would be something I literally would have to be seriously medically ******** to do.

But PLEX I can buy, no problem. Especially for a once-a-year feature.


No , this works in advantage to those with more isk or rl cash , IF there would come a skillremap wich i rrrreally hope it would never happen then make it an X% skillloss of that wich you remap.

And again as pointed out above that is a choice for the benefit of the game not for my own advantages.That's basically the problem with all these 'great idea's' they are proposed out of own interest.The OP proposes a skillremap because he has some skills unused so i tell him i have at least 25M sp wich i am not using and yet i am against a remap because i think it is bad for the game.
Now you come along and say 'no make it cost a plex and not skillpoints because I would rather loose plex then sp because i gain more from that' so now i tell you that i can buy myself enough plex to sub my accounts a lifetime yet i would hate it being plex driven as it would benefit those who have enough isk or cash wich is a bad thing for eve.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#55 - 2014-03-13 15:05:50 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Owen Levanth wrote:
Malrikk wrote:
I started playing Eve a long time ago on and off, as my understanding of the game has grown my desires in-game have changed.

My skills are a cluster of clutter from mining to a plethora of various random skills. For instance mining, it was one of the first things I trained and have regretted it ever since. I would love to be able to put those skill points into something else.

I propose a skill remap, possibly a one year timer on it, and it would cost roughly 10% of your skill points as the remap is rather dangerous and memory loss has been known to happen. I believe this would balance out the remap and only the most desperate like myself would use it. Eve Online is a complicated game, and brutal on the newbies, this would go a long way to help some of us out who made a lot of bad decisions early on.


Make it cost PLEX, and I agree with you. But if it costs a percentage of your skill points, most people would never use this feature: Look at me, for example. Playing for about a year and my main would lose roughly two times as much SP as my useless mining skills are worth. So remapping them would be something I literally would have to be seriously medically ******** to do.

But PLEX I can buy, no problem. Especially for a once-a-year feature.


No , this works in advantage to those with more isk or rl cash , IF there would come a skillremap wich i rrrreally hope it would never happen then make it an X% skillloss of that wich you remap.

And again as pointed out above that is a choice for the benefit of the game not for my own advantages.That's basically the problem with all these 'great idea's' they are proposed out of own interest.The OP proposes a skillremap because he has some skills unused so i tell him i have at least 25M sp wich i am not using and yet i am against a remap.Now you come along and say 'no make it cost a plex and not skillpoints because I would rather loose plex then sp because i gain more from that' so now i tell you that i can buy myself enough plex to sub my accounts a lifetime yet i would hate it being plex driven as it would benefit those who have enough isk or cash wich is a bad thing for eve.


Then I have a counter-proposal for you: Make it so you can only remap once per year, and you lose 10% of the skill points you remap, instead of losing 10% of all your skill points. This would be better, I think. Remap too much and you lose a lot of progress. Remap a little bit and only lose a little bit. Much more balanced this way.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#56 - 2014-03-13 15:14:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Owen Levanth wrote:
Then I have a counter-proposal for you: Make it so you can only remap once per year, and you lose 10% of the skill points you remap, instead of losing 10% of all your skill points. This would be better, I think. Remap too much and you lose a lot of progress. Remap a little bit and only lose a little bit. Much more balanced this way.

At that level, the penalty remains meaningless until and unless you have over 230M SP, at which point you don't need any more anyway since you can already fit everything you'd ever need into your build.

That is why the idea must have a minimum SP loss and must make you lose a large majority of your SP regardless of how much you have: because otherwise, there is no reason whatsoever not to abuse it to hell and back and remap absolutely everything at every opportunity.

So, counter-counter proposal: a remap removes 80% or 30M of your total SP, whichever is greater. Also, obviously, you'll have to re-buy all skill books. Or better yet, leave it alone since it only creates problems without solving a single thing.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#57 - 2014-03-13 15:22:39 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Owen Levanth wrote:
Then I have a counter-proposal for you: Make it so you can only remap once per year, and you lose 10% of the skill points you remap, instead of losing 10% of all your skill points. This would be better, I think. Remap too much and you lose a lot of progress. Remap a little bit and only lose a little bit. Much more balanced this way.

At that level, the penalty remains meaningless until and unless you have over 230M SP, at which point you don't need any more anyway since you can already fit everything you'd ever need into your build.

That is why the idea must have a minimum SP loss and must make you lose a large majority of your SP regardless of how much you have: because otherwise, there is no reason whatsoever not to abuse it to hell and back and remap absolutely everything at every opportunity.

So, counter-counter proposal: a remap removes 80% or 30M of your total SP, whichever is greater. Also, obviously, you'll have to re-buy all skill books. Or better yet, leave it alone since it only creates problems without solving a single thing.


Another counter-counter-counter proposal: Don't implement skill remap at all. Because at that point it would just be a waste of developer time.

Also I think you didn't think my proposal really through. Every time you remap, you lose 10% of those skill points you want to remap. Every single time. Which means you lose more and more the more often you remap. There is no way to abuse this, except if you define abuse as "******* yourself over".
Orion Pax
Yoyodyne corporation
#58 - 2014-03-13 15:22:39 UTC
Malrikk wrote:
I started playing Eve a long time ago on and off, as my understanding of the game has grown my desires in-game have changed.

My skills are a cluster of clutter from mining to a plethora of various random skills. For instance mining, it was one of the first things I trained and have regretted it ever since. I would love to be able to put those skill points into something else.

I propose a skill remap, possibly a one year timer on it, and it would cost roughly 10% of your skill points as the remap is rather dangerous and memory loss has been known to happen. I believe this would balance out the remap and only the most desperate like myself would use it. Eve Online is a complicated game, and brutal on the newbies, this would go a long way to help some of us out who made a lot of bad decisions early on.



This makes the game easier. Why would we want this? Man up, and skill up like the rest of us.
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#59 - 2014-03-13 15:25:18 UTC
Oh ****, I knew this was going to happen... CCP placates the DUST players by giving them Sudeten-respecs, and suddenly there are EVE players wanting to invade Po-remapping.

Nyan
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#60 - 2014-03-13 15:31:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Owen Levanth wrote:
Also I think you didn't think my proposal really through. Every time you remap, you lose 10% of those skill points you want to remap. Every single time. Which means you lose more and more the more often you remap. There is no way to abuse this, except if you define abuse as "******* yourself over".

In a year, you earn 23,652,000 SP. If you have 236,520,000 SP (that's more than half of the SP it is possible to ever train and a large part of that maximum is SP that has absolutely no use whatsoever) and remap all of them, you lose 10% and up with as many SP as you had at the start of the year. You lose nothing and you can fit everything you'd ever need into that buffer. So there's no reason to ever do anything other than remap your full amount because you will never operate at a loss.

Your best option is always to abuse the hell out of it and get as much free SP as you possibly could to be ready for any and all eventualities. The only way to **** yourself over is to not remap as soon as possible as much as possible. Thus: 30M or 80% loss, whichever is higher, anything less and it's too good a deal (and I'm not convinced even that is high enough a price).