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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-03-13 01:09:20 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
You need to explain why this (quite low) skill requirement is an issue.

It's a lot more time when you consider everything else that takes about 16 days or so to train that I am also expected to train.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#22 - 2014-03-13 04:24:05 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
minimum skills to pilot a capital ship is not enough to get capital ship work

and

jump drive skills move capitals to split into groups while in practice they want to remain together
Neither of those are problems with the skills. The first one is how all ships work and would require a complete revamp of the entire skill system to change. The second one is an organisational problem and isn't something the game should change.

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It's a lot more time when you consider everything else that takes about 16 days or so to train that I am also expected to train.
Capital ships are skill-intensive ships. The skills you're complaining about are in line with everything else about them. So the question remains: why is the relatively low requirement for the navigation skills a problem?
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-03-13 05:14:54 UTC
I'd like to send out a reminder that I'm looking for help formulating the post. I don't intend to do any in-depth discussions about the upsides or downsides of my points in this forum. I'm also not interested in opinions that it isn't a problem if you aren't pointing out an actual technical flaw in the formulation of my argument.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#24 - 2014-03-13 05:39:34 UTC
Your argument suffers from the technical flaw of being based on an incorrect premise, and fails to present any well-formulated problem that needs solving.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-03-13 05:51:30 UTC
Tippia wrote:
incorrect premise
So far all you have spoken about it was opinion-based.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#26 - 2014-03-13 05:52:09 UTC
Your opinion is that capital ships and alliance warfare should be a low-SP pursuit



Your opinion sucks
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#27 - 2014-03-13 06:02:30 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
So far all you have spoken about it was opinion-based.

You're confusing me with you.

All ships require support skills to make them work. This is a fact.
The skills do not make capitals split into groups as they move around — poor organisation does. This is also a fact.
Capitals are skill-intensive ships. Yet another fact.
The capital navigation skills are on par with all the other capital skills. One more fact.

Your opinion is that these standard patterns constitute a problem, but you've failed to explain why or how.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2014-03-13 06:13:09 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I'd like to send out a reminder that I'm looking for help formulating the post. I don't intend to do any in-depth discussions about the upsides or downsides of my points in this forum. I'm also not interested in opinions that it isn't a problem if you aren't pointing out an actual technical flaw in the formulation of my argument.



What you need to do in formulating the post is justify why 16 days training to fly ships worth tens of billions or more to the alliances that own them is excessive. Otherwise no-one will take it seriously.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#29 - 2014-03-13 08:58:53 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I'd like to send out a reminder that I'm looking for help formulating the post. I don't intend to do any in-depth discussions about the upsides or downsides of my points in this forum. I'm also not interested in opinions that it isn't a problem if you aren't pointing out an actual technical flaw in the formulation of my argument.

remember where you posted it.

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Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2014-03-13 09:29:21 UTC
I understand your post, but I outright disagree. You are not viable in a recon fleet if you only got minimum skills for a recon as you wouldnt have the range. You wouldnt be useful in a bhaalgorn against capital ships if you only had the basic skills, you wouldnt tank much in a marauder if you only got the basic skills.

To me it sounds like an I want it all now post, than a real issue. If you want to be viable in a capital ship, join and alliance that has jump range 4 as req. Then 2 weeks later your are ready to join the fleets. Not longer than I would need to train to just sit in interceptors for example. Spend another month and you go maximum jump range and can be jolly and join all the fleets you want when jumping around. In a carrier you got a huge fleet hangar, so dont be afraid if your fuel skills are low. it just cost more for you to jump than the rest.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#31 - 2014-03-13 09:35:15 UTC
Well from what I've gathered, the major issue with capital jump drives is it's attached to a ship that one can only pilot after years of time spent investing skills.

To alleviate this issue, capital ships should be available to everyone on day 1.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2014-03-13 11:33:02 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:


To alleviate this issue, capital ships should be available to everyone on day 1.
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They are.

It is called Character Bazaar.
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