Wormholes

Please stop just listening to PvP wormhole players.

Listening to the likes of down the pipe podcast and others all csm and ccp talk about is how to kill / gank bears.

Leave wh mechanics as they are. To Hell with PvP players. If they had balls they would only shoot people that could shoot back

I agree, can't we all just offline our guns, repackage our drones, break out the barges and just mine? Maybe some gas mining to break up the monotony?

Must the killing go on?

Please stop just listening to PvP wormhole players.

Firstly, may I inquire as to your intended audience? Many, might I say nearly all PVP wormhole residents partake in the PVE aspect of the wormhole community. If your intended audience in PVE wormholers exclusively, do you think this is the proper forum for this stance? Also, what would you intend to achieve by attacking PVP wormholers on the forums?

Listening to the likes of down the pipe podcast and others all csm and ccp talk about is how to kill / gank bears.

I will be visiting DTP Podcast this weekend, and having listened to their broadcasts for quite a long time (read: all of their podcasts), I'd posit that either you are unfamiliar with them and their podcast or misunderstanding their purpose. Please illustrate the "CSM and CCP talk" regarding how to kill/gank bears, with references, data, and supporting evidence?

Leave wh mechanics as they are. To Hell with PvP players. If they had balls they would only shoot people that could shoot back

This is simply an angry personal attack against members of this community. I'll leave the interpretation and intended response to those with more willingness to engage on your level of forum play. Cheers!

No. 1: yes I believe the Wormhole Forum is the correct place for a Wormhole Forum post.

No. 2: I have listened to the complete back-catalogue of DTP. It is only the most recent I am annoyed with due to 3 csm members talking out the wrong end imo.

No. 1: yes I believe the Wormhole Forum is the correct place for a Wormhole Forum post.

Do you feel that these forums will allow you to reach your intended audience, or do you prefer to just take an aggressive position against the much more prevalent "PVP wormholers" you mentioned?

No. 2: I have listened to the complete back-catalogue of DTP. It is only the most recent I am annoyed with due to 3 csm members talking out the wrong end imo.

I can't speak on Bronya and Spear's behalf, but DTP Podcast simply recorded and posted the Townhall meeting. I sincerely agree with you that the Townhall could have been conducted in a better fashion, however I wouldn't put fault on the group that was only recording and then shared the unedited meeting, as promised. This meeting was a product of the current CSM, with the entire community invited, and a couple non-wormhole CSM delegates who took time to attend.

Isn't bearing in safety (until WHs came along) what nullsec was invented for?

I should point out by that logic PvE players would go to hell, since they slaughter poor, defenseless AI-ships in their thousands without remorse.

OK, some PvP players are assholes, but some PvE players are, too. Everyone is an ******* in this fine game we play!

In short: Please continue CSM and CCP, if you annoy people like the OP, you're on the right path.

It's tears...

Well, it's hard to be taken seriously if all you do is hide behind shields and hoard isk...

As others have mentioned, EVERYONE in WH's does PVE. There may be a few people who make their money from market or other means, but the grand majority are still making their money where they live. I know that I do anyway.

So, why only listen to the PVP groups?

Firstly, the PVP alliances are actually the largest single groups in WH's. They represent the needs/wishes of hundreds of capsuleers each. As such, it's time efficient for CCP to contact just a few major alliances' directors, who will be aware of the feelings of their line members. To get the same number of people represented would require a LARGE group of leaders if each only represents 10-25 people each. It's the same reason that CCP talks to alliance leaders in other parts of the game. The basic concept of representative republics is at play here.

Secondly, as you've illustrated marvelously, PVE groups will rarely push for conflict drives. Generally they would rather be able to be completely safe in their money making and they cry deluges of delicious tears when someone forces them to "shoot back". That said, I disagree with people having the ability to make fast/efficient amounts of ISK without a commensurate level of risk for themselves. This is part of why incursions are broken IMHO. If you want ISK without risk, I suggest you stick to incursions/other hisec bearing.

Remember that conflict drivers lead to content. This game is open-ended, and without anything to create inter-player content it becomes extremely stale and repetitious. CCP thrives when the game has content, and loses players gradually as they become tired of "the same old" over and over. Conflict drivers help to break up the monotony.

Thirdly, WTF are you doing in WH's flying something that "can['t] shoot back"? Again, WH's aren't a right, they're a privilege that you must defend if you want to keep. This is a primary sacrament of the Church of Bob. If you're not willing to defend your territory, then you will not continue to live there. This is why we in Ragnarok ALWAYS bring a fight whenever possible. Even if it's just suiciding a couple Ishtars into a superior fleet, we respect our neighbors enough to bring content to them when they are so gracious as to come visit.

TL;DR: WH's are a nasty dangerous place, and I encourage them to remain so. Don't attempt to turn them into Wowholes. This isn't the themepark game you're looking for. You want that crap, go back to hisec. Also, nerf incursion income.