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War Decs: why I think they need a change
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Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#41 - 2014-03-17 18:50:39 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Mike Voidstar wrote:

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[tears]
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No one is saying to make High Sec safe. It is intended to have certain protections and a barrier to entry on non-consensual PvP. That should not change under a wardec... Wardecs are intended to loosen the restrictions of high sec, not remove them completely.
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You dont teach people to fight by slaughtering them on their first day. You introduce new concepts and problems gradually. Wardecs currently enable veterans to slaughter newbies without consequence and with minimal effort. That should change.

Mike, for your pansied heresy against HTFU I am adding a +1 to the Kill-It-Forward queue. Your heresies, other innocents deaths -- stop the heresy, stop the slaughter.

p.s.
Wardecs are 100% duckable today, you just drop corp or hide out in an NPC corp. Done. Rather than calling for moar nerfs like a pansy, why don't you just avail yourself of existing mechanics and options that are available to you?

Wardecs need to be *buffed*, to close existing holes like above used (by carebears with brains) to duck them. If there are going to be war mechanics at all, they should be meaningful, not duckable.

tl:dr;
STFU, GTFO, WoW is that way --->


Lol, no tears here.

I support an idea, thats all, and not even to the extent that most wish.

I suppose you can kill someone in my name if you want, doubt it will be me, since that would take effort. Never ducked a wardec yet... But we are getting close to the point where a POS is desired, and I am the only one with the standings, so I guess it would be conveinent if you popped on by, I would be happy to waste your money for you.

I understand how easy they are to duck. It should not be necessary. Wars should be fought over *something*, not just for tears or killboards. They should not make high sec into low sec. It should create a unique combat environment that graduates the danger, not completly obviates the protections of high sec.

There are so many areas of EVE that cater to pure ship to ship PvP and the ass hattery that is the non-consensual predator/victim model of combat that we do not need a special liscense to make high sec into yet another for the specific abuse of new players by grief minded veterans.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-03-17 19:06:38 UTC
And here I was hoping for a thread discussing some useful and meaningful changes to war dec mechanics to make the system more useful and meaningful.

Instead I find three things that would be hilariously bad for the game in general. I've been on the receiving end of high sec warfare, and yeah it does suck, but you live with it and work around it. Or man up and fight. Whichever works best for you. But these 'improvements' are all really bad ideas.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#43 - 2014-03-17 19:30:48 UTC
Mike Voidstar wrote:

Being a bully is being a bully, regardless of if it is on the street or in game. If that makes you feel uncomfortable, too bad. One of the draws of EVE over other games is the idea that choices have consequences. On a certain level, EVE is real. Choose to grief, then accept the fact that you are bullying other people in game for fun. Does that make someone a bad person? Yes. Yes it does.


bullying is a blanket term for physical and mental abuse. it is illegal in most, if not all, the countries that eve players come from. if u truly think griefing is bullying, then u shouldnt be asking for a change to the war dec mechanic, u should be calling for suicide gankers to be banned from the game and real life legal ramifications.

i suppose u also think scammers should adhere to the same laws governing trade and be locked up for fraud. shooting someone, even if they are stealing ur stuff, should also have real life consequences as its a disproportionate response. Invading other nations should land u in a war trial. Dont be ridiculous.

The fact is, in game characters doing things to other in game characters cannot be labelled as their actions would be if they were committed in real life, or there would be no games except a massive sims franchise. griefing is not bullying, just like scamming is not fraud, just like attacking a corp or alliance until its dead is not genocide. Eve players are not homicidal, sadistic sociopaths when they log off.

'eve is real' is a gimmick for ppl who take the game seriously. it has absolutely no bearing to the actual real world and its labels and the laws relating to such labels.

as i said, be careful what u label.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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