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James Robinton
Widderslainte LLC
#21 - 2014-03-12 16:23:11 UTC  |  Edited by: James Robinton
Erotica 1 wrote:
Can someone rewrite this story please? I looked at all the words in order, but I didn't really follow along.


The perils of writing an 'after action' half asleep, I confess.

TLDR Version: Ocularis Inferno and -EOL (End of Line) brought a t3/subcap fight into TLC's wormhole (The Last Chancers). TLC replied with Caps and spoiled the fight.

The "Longish" Version:
Instead of fighting a reasonably fair subcap fight (we had about 5ish more people, they had higher shipclass), they chose to drop caps into the fight, which IMO is like crapping in the pool when it comes to wormhole fights. Ya, you technically can do it, but it causes everyone to get out of the pool.

They knew our exact fleet comp due to having eyes on us, so they knew exactly what we were bringing and could've brought a good fight. Hell, they could've even correctly locked us into their wormhole - we'd have died to the man, but it would've been awesome.

Instead, when we pulled back one wormhole to offer a reasonable fight, they instead combat-rolled their WH, locking us out and blueballing the fleet.

Does that make more sense? (Promise, not being sarcastic. I wrote the first post at 1 AM and half asleep ;) )

"What do we say to the God of Death?"

"Not today."

~ Game of Thrones, George RR Martin
Haseo Antares
Production N Destruction INC.
F O R M I C I D A E
#22 - 2014-03-12 16:43:55 UTC
James Robinton wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Can someone rewrite this story please? I looked at all the words in order, but I didn't really follow along.


The perils of writing an 'after action' half asleep, I confess.

TLDR Version: Ocularis Inferno and -EOL (End of Line) brought a t3/subcap fight into TLC's wormhole (The Last Chancers).

Instead of fighting a reasonably fair subcap fight (we had about 5ish more people, they had higher shipclass), they chose to drop caps into the fight, which IMO is like crapping in the pool when it comes to wormhole fights. Ya, you technically can do it, but it causes everyone to get out of the pool.

They knew our exact fleet comp due to having eyes on us, so they knew exactly what we were bringing and could've brought a good fight. Hell, they could've even correctly locked us into their wormhole - we'd have died to the man, but it would've been awesome.

Instead, when we pulled back one wormhole to offer a reasonable fight, they instead combat-rolled their WH, locking us out and blueballing the fleet.

Does that make more sense? (Promise, not being sarcastic. I wrote the first post at 1 AM and half asleep ;) )


I think you are gonna need an abstract for that TLDR; its still a wall of text.

We currently have the world's greatest linguists and scientists trying to decode what you just said.
flakeys
Doomheim
#23 - 2014-03-12 16:54:04 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Le'Mon Tichim wrote:
Mildew Wolf wrote:
James Robinton wrote:
I've lived in a wormhole for the better part of the last year or more after coming back from a long break. I was brought back because of wormholes - because I was told that it was PVP that ranged from small gang to fleet fights, and that wormholers had one, sacred, Sworn-Unto-Bob, code.

You always fight. Space bushido, yo.

In the last year I've been dropped on by some many people - some because they got lucky, some because I was doing some amazingly dumb. Blood Union. Hard Knocks. Last Chance. Boris Johnson, and on and on and on.

So imagine my surprise when, at the head of a 30 man t3 fleet as we're diving into wormholes, that my scouts report back some sign of Last Chance.

Me and my fleet *parked* ourselves on the doorstep of their C6. We might as well have been standing in the shadow of Mount-Freaking-Doom. My scout reports that there is an archon, two guardians, and a whole batch of t3's and nuet geddons on their side of the wormhole.

I looked to my alliance and asked our tradition question - "Do you want to die tonight?" to when Ocularis Inferno, the land of "We give no fucks" all agreed. I look to EOL who was running with us and ask them to same - to their credit, the field where they grow their fucks is also barren.

So we jump into Last Chance's Cap Fleet and put their carrier into half armor before he goes triage and we jump back out. We've followed the Code of Bob. Surely, they will jump and engage us here - our logi to their logi, our t3's to theirs.

Seconds turned into minutes. Nothing. Suddeny! An activation! They've decided to honor the Code of Bob!

No, wait. That's their archon combat rolling their wormhole.

Yes, kids. My fleet went home with balls of blue because Last Chance didn't want to come out and play.

Lame. Just... lame. That could've been a really cool fight.

JR


"an archon"..."cap fleet" )))


And a Thanatos that landed seconds into the fight in their hole. Cataclysmic c6. The only three ships we lost were woefully undertanked, a Maller, a Wolf, and a Blackbird. Our reps were holding, and we forced the Archon into triage. Communication errors on the part of our (-EOL) logi pair led the FC's to believe that we were about to suffer heavy losses. In hindsight, I would not have split the five Guardians into 3-2 grouping, but I wasn't in charge, OR flying the healer bricks.

I believe the point of this is, we fought expecting to die, were surprised that we were ultimately killing the Archon, got kinda silly and jumped out, and then were really sad when they wouldn't come to us. Trash talking was had on both comms, I'm sure. It's more of a 'got counter blue-balled after a short engagement' situation.



Wait so you guys thought your fleet was gonna die -where's the no fucks given?- and bailed out but now are mad because they didn't do a second fight on the other side of the hole ...while you guys bailed out first .... Roll

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
James Robinton
Widderslainte LLC
#24 - 2014-03-12 16:55:13 UTC
Haseo Antares wrote:
James Robinton wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Can someone rewrite this story please? I looked at all the words in order, but I didn't really follow along.


The perils of writing an 'after action' half asleep, I confess.

TLDR Version: Ocularis Inferno and -EOL (End of Line) brought a t3/subcap fight into TLC's wormhole (The Last Chancers).

Instead of fighting a reasonably fair subcap fight (we had about 5ish more people, they had higher shipclass), they chose to drop caps into the fight, which IMO is like crapping in the pool when it comes to wormhole fights. Ya, you technically can do it, but it causes everyone to get out of the pool.

They knew our exact fleet comp due to having eyes on us, so they knew exactly what we were bringing and could've brought a good fight. Hell, they could've even correctly locked us into their wormhole - we'd have died to the man, but it would've been awesome.

Instead, when we pulled back one wormhole to offer a reasonable fight, they instead combat-rolled their WH, locking us out and blueballing the fleet.

Does that make more sense? (Promise, not being sarcastic. I wrote the first post at 1 AM and half asleep ;) )


I think you are gonna need an abstract for that TLDR; its still a wall of text.


Edited to try and fix :)

"What do we say to the God of Death?"

"Not today."

~ Game of Thrones, George RR Martin
Pew Terror
All of it
#25 - 2014-03-12 17:52:59 UTC
This story reminds me of Sir Robin!
Na Und
Galactronics
#26 - 2014-03-12 18:20:01 UTC
It appears that "the field" where Last Chance "grow their fucks" is as "barren" as yours.
biz Antollare
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#27 - 2014-03-12 18:57:55 UTC  |  Edited by: biz Antollare
Amazing story.

Lets break it down a little because some stuff was left out.

You guys tagged up with another alliance which, after counting, we were outnumbered 2:1. you knew this because you had a scout in our hole.

The triage pilot was originally in a guardian but reshipped when we knew how big your fleet was. Sorry if this offends you but I wont hand a fleet over to other people in my own home to make you happy.

Quote:
"Yes, kids. My fleet went home with balls of blue because Last Chance didn't want to come out and play."-James Robinton


We could have pos'd up but we decided to fight.

You decided to commit to the fight, you guys jumped in. Great.

I was going to have the triage pilot round trip and trap you all in where the majority of you would have died. He decided to go into triage to keep himself alive as he was at 40% armor. The trap option was gone at that point.

THAT is my only regret.

Had you stayed it would have been a great fight. we will never know for sure tho....you guys bailed after we killed 3 ships totaling less than 100 mil.

Chasing into our static was not an option with a triage as it was a CV.

Sorry you feel cheated, but if you wanted a fight that bad you could have stayed. No one forced you to leave.

It was getting late for a bunch of us and people had to go to bed. After you left we figured you wouldn't come back. I decided to roll it.

Quote:

"Next time that Archon's ours. ;)" -James Robinton


Come and get it.
Le'Mon Tichim
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2014-03-12 20:20:05 UTC
biz Antollare wrote:
Amazing story.

Lets break it down a little because some stuff was left out.

You guys tagged up with another alliance which, after counting, we were outnumbered 2:1. you knew this because you had a scout in our hole.

The triage pilot was originally in a guardian but reshipped when we knew how big your fleet was. Sorry if this offends you but I wont hand a fleet over to other people in my own home to make you happy.

Quote:
"Yes, kids. My fleet went home with balls of blue because Last Chance didn't want to come out and play."-James Robinton


We could have pos'd up but we decided to fight.

You decided to commit to the fight, you guys jumped in. Great.

I was going to have the triage pilot round trip and trap you all in where the majority of you would have died. He decided to go into triage to keep himself alive as he was at 40% armor. The trap option was gone at that point.

THAT is my only regret.

Had you stayed it would have been a great fight. we will never know for sure tho....you guys bailed after we killed 3 ships totaling less than 100 mil.

Chasing into our static was not an option with a triage as it was a CV.

Sorry you feel cheated, but if you wanted a fight that bad you could have stayed. No one forced you to leave.

It was getting late for a bunch of us and people had to go to bed. After you left we figured you wouldn't come back. I decided to roll it.

Quote:

"Next time that Archon's ours. ;)" -James Robinton


Come and get it.


We're single, by the way.

Also, you got more than 100mil. There was a Sabre who was the only one able to warp to the hole on our initial approach. We're all still confused by it, too.

Can you hear them? They are calling to us. It is beautiful. http://thegreattichim.wordpress.com/
James Robinton
Widderslainte LLC
#29 - 2014-03-12 20:37:08 UTC
biz Antollare wrote:
Amazing story.

Lets break it down a little because some stuff was left out.

You guys tagged up with another alliance which, after counting, we were outnumbered 2:1. you knew this because you had a scout in our hole.

The triage pilot was originally in a guardian but reshipped when we knew how big your fleet was. Sorry if this offends you but I wont hand a fleet over to other people in my own home to make you happy.

Quote:
"Yes, kids. My fleet went home with balls of blue because Last Chance didn't want to come out and play."-James Robinton


We could have pos'd up but we decided to fight.

You decided to commit to the fight, you guys jumped in. Great.

I was going to have the triage pilot round trip and trap you all in where the majority of you would have died. He decided to go into triage to keep himself alive as he was at 40% armor. The trap option was gone at that point.

THAT is my only regret.

Had you stayed it would have been a great fight. we will never know for sure tho....you guys bailed after we killed 3 ships totaling less than 100 mil.

Chasing into our static was not an option with a triage as it was a CV.

Sorry you feel cheated, but if you wanted a fight that bad you could have stayed. No one forced you to leave.

It was getting late for a bunch of us and people had to go to bed. After you left we figured you wouldn't come back. I decided to roll it.

Quote:

"Next time that Archon's ours. ;)" -James Robinton


Come and get it.


I think you're reading this with a lot more seriousness than I have. If you guys HAD managed to roll the hole behind us, that would've been kind of awesome and I'd have tipped my hat to you.

Really, though - neither of us were on each others comms. We didn't have you 2:1 at all, and apparently you had fewer larger ships than I was aware of. Fog of War, no?

My main beef, in all of this, was "Suddenly Caps!". That's not a fight - really, if I wanted to go play the suddenly caps game, I'd go live out in Nullsec. It's just not the game I prefer to play - which is why I live in wormholes.

As to that Archon? It's so on. No idea when or how, but we'll come get it. You're wormholers, we're wormholers. That's how this works. You roll into us, we'll give your gang a fight without dropping caps on you, numbers be damned.

And in the interest of just not being a **** - if I wasn't clear on that in the initial post, I blame 1AM insomnia postings and apologize (for what little I imagine that'll be worth).

See ya next time we track you down or you roll into us. :D

"What do we say to the God of Death?"

"Not today."

~ Game of Thrones, George RR Martin
biz Antollare
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#30 - 2014-03-12 20:44:24 UTC
there was no "suddenly caps" game played unless your scout was sleeping.

the triage was parked on our static for a while.
Elewem
Wormbro
The Society For Unethical Treatment Of Sleepers
#31 - 2014-03-12 21:28:23 UTC
biz Antollare wrote:
there was no "suddenly caps" game played unless your scout was sleeping.




Well, he is Canadian, so it's almost the same thing, right?


Also, as far as "suddenly Caps" I think he meant the second cap, the Thanny that came in. There is no way what we had could of broken a triaged Archon tank, AFAIK. I, personally, was waiting the whole time for you to roll the hole on us, honestly, and was pretty sad you didn't. I, again, personally, assume you didn't want to risk trapping your own guys on the other side, so when you brought the Thanny in, we withdrew to the other side, forcing you to leave your caps out of the game, which worked, but only for you to roll the hole in the end.

Don't play this "After you left we figured you wouldn't come back." you had a scout watching us and knew we were sitting on that hole waiting for you. He even chatted us up in local.

And, in all technicality, you *didn't* come out to play, you sat in your home with your two caps and refused to come out. While goading us with "Are you going to bring that fleet over or just **** about." non-sense. You knew what we had for a long time and could of done anything, and what you did was retreat to your home and use two caps, and when we disengaged and made it so you could either engage with no caps, or leave, you chose to leave. No one is mad here, at least from my view of our end, but it was pretty damn lame.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#32 - 2014-03-13 00:09:59 UTC
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bewmaster
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-03-13 00:48:19 UTC
Elewem wrote:
biz Antollare wrote:
there was no "suddenly caps" game played unless your scout was sleeping.




Well, he is Canadian, so it's almost the same thing, right?


Also, as far as "suddenly Caps" I think he meant the second cap, the Thanny that came in. There is no way what we had could of broken a triaged Archon tank, AFAIK. I, personally, was waiting the whole time for you to roll the hole on us, honestly, and was pretty sad you didn't. I, again, personally, assume you didn't want to risk trapping your own guys on the other side, so when you brought the Thanny in, we withdrew to the other side, forcing you to leave your caps out of the game, which worked, but only for you to roll the hole in the end.

Don't play this "After you left we figured you wouldn't come back." you had a scout watching us and knew we were sitting on that hole waiting for you. He even chatted us up in local.

And, in all technicality, you *didn't* come out to play, you sat in your home with your two caps and refused to come out. While goading us with "Are you going to bring that fleet over or just **** about." non-sense. You knew what we had for a long time and could of done anything, and what you did was retreat to your home and use two caps, and when we disengaged and made it so you could either engage with no caps, or leave, you chose to leave. No one is mad here, at least from my view of our end, but it was pretty damn lame.



I think I have a bigger shovel you could borrow, it would be more efficient for that hole your diggin. This whole post is pointless. You played, you left. Nothing happened that justifies a forum post, or even a reiteration of events in any way.
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#34 - 2014-03-13 00:57:36 UTC
So you fought, then retreated. There is no story, you just didn't commit to the fight.
Bronya Boga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2014-03-13 03:36:31 UTC
I honestly don't know why you are bitching about it. I would have made the same call if I saw my odds as 2:1 I would have brought a triage to even up the odds a bit. In any case you got a fight just not the one you wanted. Ships died thats all that matters.
Ion Udan
Stellar Ascent
#36 - 2014-03-13 04:23:34 UTC
So you said "We give no fucks, we're happy to die tonight" but you ran when you started to lose the fight? ..... Nice work. So what is it? You're happy to die or not happy to die? You cant have it both ways.

You said "There was already an archon on the field and you jumped in to their home" ... then said "they spoiled it with caps".... Nice work. You knew they had cap(s) already so there was no spoiling.

As far as I'm concerned if you jump in to someone's home they can drop whatever they want on you. I personally dont believe in this "Oh, you want to come for sword fights. Sure, i'll hold half my fleet back or ship down so we can trade ship losses" Stuff that for a joke. I'm here to have fun and blow up space ships. If this means i get to curbstomp enemy fleets then awesome. If i get stomped then thats my fault for not reading the fight well enough.

As for them not jumping after you. Its obvious their logi was the carrier, and if they rolled the hole then perhaps mass was an issue.

Dry your eyes princess!



So, glorious QEX brother steals potatoes from hisec.
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#37 - 2014-03-13 04:46:53 UTC
>thinking you're going to get a fight in w-space that isn't a gank in some fashion

That's your mistake
RudinV
Sons Of Mother's Friend
Can i bring my Drake...
#38 - 2014-03-13 05:01:33 UTC
-pardon sir! But we have only cheap t1 fleet without logistics this night!
-ah! Sure sure, give us a second, we will reship...and how many are u? Our scout is afk atm, would u excuse...
-we are 8, tell me when u are ready.
-just a second, gonna show my homework to parents and after we fight!

Lets pray for Eve not to become pinkponyworld in space. Amin
Caius Beriat
O'Coin Enterprises
#39 - 2014-03-13 07:30:28 UTC
Well isn't this thread just dandy.

If you were 2:1 then I'm not surprised they dropped an archon in your lap, it frees up pilots from guardian duty to dps. Maybe your fleet composition sucked, but once that archon goes triage it's your golden ticket to kill it. Bring more neuts Lol
Henry Cummings
Daktaklakpak.
Mince n Tatties
#40 - 2014-03-13 08:34:28 UTC
Space Bushido? you have been out of wormholes for a while.


Nowadays Klauswitzian Realpolitik is the trend. We'll give you some time to catch up.
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