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ROSSLINDEN0

Lowlife.

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#41 - 2014-03-12 18:32:23 UTC

Meytal wrote:

Klarion Sythis wrote:

Gnaw LF wrote:

Bane Nucleus wrote:

Henry Cummings wrote:

That said, I have little experience with sub-c5 space, but it is my understanding their mechanics make evictions even less desirable when confronted with serious wormhole groups.

Two Step posted numbers when he was on the CSM that showed the amount of POSs getting removed in c2 space is almost identical to c5 space. The numbers also showed the average number of people on those POS kills to be very similar as well.

Obviously, just numbers doesn't tell the entire story but I found it to be rather striking.

Stuff like this makes me want to bring back whkills.info and do tons of stat tracking... but its work.... and I am a lazy bastard.

It was awesome while it existed.

This, many times over.

ppl should donate Gnaw stuff and he might just do it! also why wasn't this meeting public knowledge i would have turned up if i was invited...

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Klarion Sythis Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 370	#42 - 2014-03-12 18:44:07 UTC 1 Gnaw, confirm/deny bribes would work?

Gnaw LF

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#43 - 2014-03-12 20:13:26 UTC

Klarion Sythis wrote:

Gnaw, confirm/deny bribes would work?

Bribes won't work, I would love to bring it back but I need someone who is really good with GUI to help me design the layout. I've made a bunch of different tools for eve but every time I do I just share it with my corp because they look so awful that I'm embarrassed to share them with the community at large.

Tyrant Scorn

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#44 - 2014-03-12 20:29:40 UTC | Edited by: ISD Dosnix

Winthorp wrote:

I have to stop this absurdity right there. "The WH townhall" was a select few individuals and most of those that run the major corps, these were at best a very small cross section of the WH community and i would be highly doubtful any of those present were from a class of WH's outside of a C5/6.

Sith1s Spectre wrote:

I think it is unfair to take a very small sample group (as you have in this example) and label that as the "wormhole community"

Maybe you should re-read my post, I didn't say the people attending the Town Hall meeting represented the entire WH community, I said, the problem of the community was highlighted in the meeting, I never said anything close to THE PEOPLE THERE ARE THE COMMUNITY...

I think at this point you have lost your sense of perspective and are merely replying to my posts to annoy or point out how much you disagree. At this point, no matter what I say, you will go out of your way to trash talk and you can't even read any of my posts constructively.

But I am going to reply anyways...

When you talk about the WH community, what you are actually talking about is "your little circle of friends" *snip*.

You are not part of a community, you are part of your own little trash talking circle of friends and the only reason why you aren't admitting it is because you think you're a high class WH corp. *snip*

You worry about silly little things as alt posting, you try so hard to be right and fight any argument, just for the sake of being on the other side of the fence. Have a constructive conversation for once, try to look past your silly little pre-conceived notions that you conjured up all by yourself without actually knowing any of the facts. You draw conclusions, form opinions and draw your guns but you never actually stopped to listen to the people you're trying to fight.

Winthorp wrote:

I realize i and others have not given you much respect at all and while you continue to post on an alt ".

Not going to address the issue since you drew your conclusions and made up your mind before you actually know the how, the why and the when... So, feel free to worry about these silly little things and continue to be this narrow minded. *snip*

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Jack Miton

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#45 - 2014-03-12 20:47:02 UTC

Red, you sure do know how to complain but what's your point?
You call us out exactly the same way as we call you out but you never actually make any real points or suggestions.
And yes, I did read your post, there's nothing constructive in it at all.

There is no Bob.

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Tyrant Scorn

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#46 - 2014-03-12 20:55:28 UTC

Jack Miton wrote:

I didn't call you out, if I did, I would have quoted you... I was responding to 2 people... So you actually didn't read my post.

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Bane Nucleus

Dark Venture Corporation

Kitchen Sinkhole

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#47 - 2014-03-12 21:44:32 UTC | Edited by: ISD Dosnix

Tyrant Scorn wrote:

When you talk about the WH community, what you are actually talking about is "your little circle of friends" but you're just to damn stupid to admit it. You talk high and mighty about the WH community and yet, when people come onto the subforums you act like retards and troll the living **** out of people. You never actually help anyone, you troll them or call them bears and threat them as less

Wow. That is a hell of an assumption. To sit here and say we equate the wh community to our "little circle of friends" shows how far you having to reach now. Pull yourself together.

And since we are here, what exactly have you done for the community? What have you contributed to help anyone? If you had a reputation for helping people, improving the wormhole forums with quality, or anything of the sort, you would have a leg to stand on with your posts. Unforunately, I can't think of a single instance where you contributed a shred of anything on these forums besides ranting up a storm.

Lastly, there is a great thread right now with lots of c1-c4 guys expressing their thoughts on THEIR wh space experiences. I have yet to see one person who spoke on behalf of their c1-c4 get dumped on by anyone.

Tyrant Scorn wrote:

You are not part of a community, you are part of your own little trash talking circle of friends and the only reason why you aren't admitting it is because you think you're a high class WH corp. Well, when I was still in the same Alliance as you, you were ****, nothing more then line members with nothing to say.

I didn't realize this was all about an old grudge you've been holding on to. It would explain why your rants seem rather skewed, off base, and generally a lot of nonsense.

Edit:
Personal Attacks fixed
ISD Dosnix

No trolling please

MooMooDachshundCow

University of Caille

Gallente Federation

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#48 - 2014-03-12 22:06:48 UTC

There's a major problem with your original thesis statements as well.

Firstly: If you can't find content, it's your own fault. We (Ragnarok) scan out our chains until we find content. If the chain has none, we roll static and repeat. This doesn't always work, but eventually we nearly always find someone.

Second: I've not found WH's to be empty at all. In fact, far from that. MANY WH's have at least an online POS if not actual logged on members to fight. After a bit of persuasion, many online entities can be encouraged to come out and play. This is part of why we allow honor fights. If some corp only has 4 members online, we will only bring 4 members of our fleet. At least this way everyone can get some content without being blobbed. (I'd like to give an honorable mention at this time to Wiski and Arctic Light who brought a VERY enjoyable gudfite this weekend - and we honored the 10v10. I hope they enjoyed it as much as we did.)

Third and finally: In case you didn't know, we mainly evict people who turtle up/refuse to fight. As such, we are taking a circumstance of no content, and turning it into content for our members. Denizens that bring fights are rolled away from afterwards with our respect and best wishes. As such, these eviction serve to cleanse Bob's holy temple of those carebears that are lacking the intestinal fortitude to PVP. This encourages other groups to PVP with us in the future, both for the fun of it AND to not be added to the list of undesirable future evictions.

I don't know where you get your info, but I disagree with it. Everything I do in Ragnarok is to create content/ISK for my members. We do not evict other groups that create content for us, unless there are other serious political/defensive considerations. Furthermore, post-eviction Ragnarok has been known to accept line members from the defeated alliances. This is because we are pragmatic and magnanimous and prefer to have friends and content over the reverse.

TL;DR - you know nothing of our ways, and your bigotry is apparent.

Yeah, well, it's just like my opinion, man.

Winthorp

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#49 - 2014-03-12 22:15:17 UTC

Tyrant Scorn wrote:

Winthorp wrote:

Sith1s Spectre wrote:

I think it is unfair to take a very small sample group (as you have in this example) and label that as the "wormhole community"

Maybe you should re-read my post, I didn't say the people attending the Town Hall meeting represented the entire WH community, I said, the problem of the community was highlighted in the meeting, I never said anything close to THE PEOPLE THERE ARE THE COMMUNITY...

I think at this point you have lost your sense of perspective and are merely replying to my posts to annoy or point out how much you disagree. At this point, no matter what I say, you will go out of your way to trash talk and you can't even read any of my posts constructively.

But I am going to reply anyways...

When you talk about the WH community, what you are actually talking about is "your little circle of friends" but you're just to damn stupid to admit it. You talk high and mighty about the WH community and yet, when people come onto the subforums you act like retards and troll the living **** out of people. You never actually help anyone, you troll them or call them bears and threat them as less.

You are not part of a community, you are part of your own little trash talking circle of friends and the only reason why you aren't admitting it is because you think you're a high class WH corp. Well, when I was still in the same Alliance as you, you were ****, nothing more then line members with nothing to say.

You worry about silly little things as alt posting, you try so hard to be right and fight any argument, just for the sake of being on the other side of the fence. Have a constructive conversation for once, try to look past your silly little pre-conceived notions that you conjured up all by yourself without actually knowing any of the facts. You draw conclusions, form opinions and draw your guns but you never actually stopped to listen to the people you're trying to fight.

Winthorp wrote:

I realize i and others have not given you much respect at all and while you continue to post on an alt ".

I normally don't reply to post from NPC alts with no history but i have made an exception for you as you have come with an agenda. You post from this NPC alt with a platform of judgment about us all and about trolling and how bad it is, i really don't know what happened to you on your main to make you so bitter towards certain people like me but you are certainly not acting like the impartial journalist you say you are building as a platform for this impartial NPC alt.

You say i troll and berate me and others for it and yet you speak to us like this?

The hypocrisy is rife with you.


Tyrant Scorn Likes received: 221	#50 - 2014-03-13 06:09:08 UTC Bane Nucleus wrote: I didn't realize this was all about an old grudge you've been holding on to. It would explain why your rants seem rather skewed, off base, and generally a lot of nonsense. Again, you're making assumptions based on nothing but your own narrow minded ideas... The Tyrant King YouTube \| Twitter \| Twitch

Winthorp

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#51 - 2014-03-13 06:19:29 UTC

Tyrant Scorn wrote:

Bane Nucleus wrote:

I didn't realize this was all about an old grudge you've been holding on to. It would explain why your rants seem rather skewed, off base, and generally a lot of nonsense.

Again, you're making assumptions based on nothing but your own narrow minded ideas...

I like how you continue to call us names and yet we are the people trolling.

Tyrant Scorn

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#52 - 2014-03-13 06:21:32 UTC

Winthorp wrote:

Tyrant Scorn wrote:

Bane Nucleus wrote:

I didn't realize this was all about an old grudge you've been holding on to. It would explain why your rants seem rather skewed, off base, and generally a lot of nonsense.

Again, you're making assumptions based on nothing but your own narrow minded ideas...

I like how you continue to call us names and yet we are the people trolling.

As you have stated before, you haven't given any respect, so I shall not give you any in return.

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Winthorp

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#53 - 2014-03-13 06:33:07 UTC

Tyrant Scorn wrote:

Winthorp wrote:

Tyrant Scorn wrote:

Bane Nucleus wrote:

I didn't realize this was all about an old grudge you've been holding on to. It would explain why your rants seem rather skewed, off base, and generally a lot of nonsense.

Again, you're making assumptions based on nothing but your own narrow minded ideas...

I like how you continue to call us names and yet we are the people trolling.

As you have stated before, you haven't given any respect, so I shall not give you any in return.

You think this will earn anyone's respect? you make yourself look like a fool.

So you are going to keep berating us for being trolls and ruining any serious debate and then go to a really low level of name calling because you have nothing serious to ever add to a discussion?

I can see why you feel the need to continually roll three month old toons to talk to us.

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Erica Dusette Division 13 Likes received: 58,089	#54 - 2014-03-13 06:35:22 UTC \| Edited by: Erica Dusette 1 As an impartial, neutral observer I can confirm Tyrant Scorn looks foolish from here. Edit: Can post from neutral alt if emphasis required. Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate ツ Full-Time Supermodel ▷ worмнole dιary + cнaracтer вιoѕ ▷ вσss

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CeNSeR Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 72	#55 - 2014-03-13 06:56:08 UTC Cant you 2 just create an eve channel of your own and argue with each other in there? Instead of sidtracking all the threads made in this forum with your childish rants.

Iyokus Patrouette

University of Caille

Gallente Federation

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#56 - 2014-03-13 06:56:33 UTC

OP is right.. we must preserve the carebears of today, So we can maintain a pressence of carebears within wormholes in the future, Introduction of a new catch and release system for dealing with carebears should be introduced. . . . for some reason.

add words like sustainability into the mix somewhere so i sound credible.

---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----


Winthorp Likes received: 3,875	#57 - 2014-03-13 07:04:31 UTC 1 CeNSeR wrote: Cant you 2 just create an eve channel of your own and argue with each other in there? Instead of sidtracking all the threads made in this forum with your childish rants. No.

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ExookiZ The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People Likes received: 366	#58 - 2014-03-13 11:37:13 UTC confirming the lack of content in wormholes. theres so many people up here cant find any content around. Event Organizer of EVE North East