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A carebear's diary.

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Jonestu
Royal Khanid Fleet Auxiliary
#1 - 2014-03-11 12:01:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonestu
So once more I was out mining in my trusty Hulk and having my faithful Orca by my side.
I keep a basic Rifter in it so I can scout out my belts since its so annoying to warp a Orca or a Hulk around. I don't know much about PvP or anything besides mining and production.
So happy as happy can be I am minding my own business. But it seems that the 'vers had other plans for me. I see a Catalys jump in and I know what is coming next. So in order to save my beloved Hulk I quickly invite the pilot into a conversation and as he is locking me I say "So what do you want to not blow me up." Knowing full well that I will not be able to jump out before he have me in sight. I glance at the overview and the Orca is 3.5km away. Well frakk he will see if I try to approach it to switch ships.
But as a nice pirate he says "Give me 50m and you will live to mine another day." Well it takes less then a second to decide that my sweet little Hulk is worth more then 50m so I happily transfers the money to the friendly pirate.
"Thank you for a good deal" he say before the lock drops and he jumps away. A good deal for me since the modules I got on my Hulk is not worth 50m but the ship is so he made a profit and I saved about 250m.
Another good day and a saved ship. I made about 100m that day so with the loss of 50m I still made a profit compared to me losing my ship and having to buy a new one.

All I got to say is thank you Sir Pirate for honoring your word and taking the bribe rather then blowing me up, I wish you the best of luck and hope that you will get many more tasty ISKis along the way.


Will I do anything different today or tomorrow? Not at all I make a good profit in my hulk and I am happy to take the risk of having pirates come in and blow me up or in this case accept a bribe for not doing so.

So as long as Pirates keep their word about bribes and ransoms then I will happily pay them.



So to take another event as well that made me laugh like hell while it was going on.
I was in the dreaded lowsec in a Covetor and my Miasmos. I was more then ready to loose both ships but I needed some of that tasty lowsec ore for a ship I was going to build.
I knew that I had to watch local and my overview but well when nature calls and you need a smoke then you run like the wind and smoke like a... well I don't really know what but I have seldom smoked so fast in my life.
When I get back I look over local and what do you know there is someone there with me. It does not take long for the guy to warp in and I expected him to blow me up right then and there. But he locks me and is quite quickly though my shields.
He convos me and I reply with "Carebear bribing negotiation at your service." I quickly get a 'lol' back from him and he asks me what my ship is worth to me. I think it over and say that I will happily give him 75m for it and my Miasmos since I got some Ore I need in it for production.
"Well if you need it then its a bit low... make it a 100m and its a deal." he told me. I look over my wallet and sigh I only got 80m after buying a Orca. "Well Sir Pirate I am afraid that I only got 80m right now. But I tell you what I give you the 75m and I will build you a ship. I got many blueprints and if you agree not to blow me up its yours." By now he most likely thought I was trying to pull one over his head so I link my fittings and my modules are worth far less then 75m since I was ready to lose them but a Covetor is still a Covetor and I really need that ore. After a moment I get a reply from him. "Sure jetison all your ore and transfer the money and its a deal."
So as a good carebear I do as I am told and I am free to leave. When I get back I sigh and sell off some or my spare ore to buy the materials I need instead while I send a mail to him. "So sir what ship would you like, I will trade it as I promised for what I jetted and my ore." After a bit of talking we agree on a ship, I put it up for production and contract it to him. he promptly contracts my things back and both are quite happy.

So a few days later I get a mail from him saying "So I need some other things can you build it for me?" I think, hey this might be a new client and maybe he won't blow me up the next time I see him. So I happily agree and make then things for him and contract it at a smaller margin then I would if I was selling it on the market, kind as I am I even move it down to him since he can't enter hisec. Happy as a clam he thanks me and says that if he sees me around I won't have to worry. I like nice pirates that you can make deals with.

So to all you wonderful pirates that are in need of ships, I will be happy to trade my services for not being blown up.

Well thats all for now. More in the next episode of A Carebears Diary!!!!

Now its time to do like Zoidberg and woob my way out of here.

6.023 x 10 to the 23rd power alligator pears = Avocado's number Dubbed Not-A-Carebear by Malcolm Shinhwa A carebear's diary

Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#2 - 2014-03-11 12:58:40 UTC
Dear Diary,
I just bought my first destroyer, a catalyst, and was anxious to try it out on some belt rats. I fitted it with 5 small beam lasers and a civilian shield booster, and went hunting. I warped to 2 asteroid belts and found nothing, but in the 3rd belt a random miner invited me to a conversation and offered to pay me not to blow them up...

Who put the goat in there?

Jonestu
Royal Khanid Fleet Auxiliary
#3 - 2014-03-11 13:11:11 UTC
Shederov Blood wrote:
Dear Diary,
I just bought my first destroyer, a catalyst, and was anxious to try it out on some belt rats. I fitted it with 5 small beam lasers and a civilian shield booster, and went hunting. I warped to 2 asteroid belts and found nothing, but in the 3rd belt a random miner invited me to a conversation and offered to pay me not to blow them up...

Well I would not offer a bribe if I was not locked first or the guns started blazing.
But I rather be safe then sorry to be honest.

6.023 x 10 to the 23rd power alligator pears = Avocado's number Dubbed Not-A-Carebear by Malcolm Shinhwa A carebear's diary

Dreadchain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-03-11 13:12:09 UTC
I'm not sure if you qualify as a carebear if you're mining in losec and accept the fact that you might pretty much just spontaneously die at any moment. For that, I salute you good sir miner, for you have ascended above the rest of your kin.

That said, I'm not sure of your philosophy of just mining away without much of a consideration on how to avoid the very evitable demise of a pirate catching you with your pants down. Be it ignorance or sloth, there's a number of ways you could avoid this from happening in the first place. But I can't complain too much, seems like you had much more fun than you would've had just mining away without interruption.

www.minerbumping.com

Jonestu
Royal Khanid Fleet Auxiliary
#5 - 2014-03-11 13:17:52 UTC
Dreadchain wrote:
I'm not sure if you qualify as a carebear if you're mining in losec and accept the fact that you might pretty much just spontaneously die at any moment. For that, I salute you good sir miner, for you have ascended above the rest of your kin.

That said, I'm not sure of your philosophy of just mining away without much of a consideration on how to avoid the very evitable demise of a pirate catching you with your pants down. Be it ignorance or sloth, there's a number of ways you could avoid this from happening in the first place. But I can't complain too much, seems like you had much more fun than you would've had just mining away without interruption.

It might seem strange but I find a sort of joy when a pirate locks me and demands a ransom. Not sure why but me not being a PvPer since I enjoy my mining I just like it. Most pirates are also very polite and nice towards you as long as you don't try to screw them over.

There are a lot of things I can do to mine safer and make myself less of a target. But during workdays I mine about 2 hours a day and want to make sure to make the most of it so I take some risks and its very seldom that something bad happens. Hell on my new mining alt that I have been playing for about 2 months I have not been approached by a pirate or been suicided so its not very likely but its a risk that I am aware off.

And if you are not prepared to die at any moment in EvE then you need to consider if you should be playing it or not. Sure I along with most people I assume don't want to be blown up but just accept the fact that this is a mainly PvP driven game and as such you are always a target even when you are hunting.

And in regards to the woman mocking me before. I would not feel as threatened by a new character as a 3 years old one with a standing about as bad as my writing.

6.023 x 10 to the 23rd power alligator pears = Avocado's number Dubbed Not-A-Carebear by Malcolm Shinhwa A carebear's diary

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#6 - 2014-03-11 13:31:12 UTC
Have you considered a mining permit? They are only 10m isk and are good for an entire year, as long as you adhere to the Code.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Jonestu
Royal Khanid Fleet Auxiliary
#7 - 2014-03-11 13:40:42 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Have you considered a mining permit? They are only 10m isk and are good for an entire year, as long as you adhere to the Code.

Well if its legit then I would not mind it at all but CODE have yet to lock me so it would not do me much good but I like the idea. Then again 10m is chump change to be honest. Even in a Venture that is. But as of yet I have not needed one.

6.023 x 10 to the 23rd power alligator pears = Avocado's number Dubbed Not-A-Carebear by Malcolm Shinhwa A carebear's diary

Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-03-11 14:11:58 UTC
Jonestu wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Have you considered a mining permit? They are only 10m isk and are good for an entire year, as long as you adhere to the Code.

Well if its legit then I would not mind it at all but CODE have yet to lock me so it would not do me much good but I like the idea. Then again 10m is chump change to be honest. Even in a Venture that is. But as of yet I have not needed one.


Well you appear to be code compliant already as you are polite to gankers, are at your keyboard and alert to what is going on around you. The 10 mill fee buys a lot more than just avoiding CODE guns. If you help locate botters and afk miners in nice ships and provide warpins then you will most likely get invited to their chat channel. They are a friendly and helpful bunch (Erotica has a fun channel too). Meeting new communities and making friends is always good in eve and if you have catalyst BPO's you will have some ready buyers.
Knowing where they are ganking will also aid your manufacturing as you can place new mining ships in the local market (plus fittings ofc) at a decent mark up over Jita so that ganked miners can quickly buy a new ship Evil
If some local miners are annoying you then it is usually possible to get an agent come help you gank them which is also fun and likely a new gameplay experience for you.
Anyway it will open a ton of doors and the cost is so low.
Just my 2 cents.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Dreadchain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-03-11 14:16:49 UTC
Jonestu wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Have you considered a mining permit? They are only 10m isk and are good for an entire year, as long as you adhere to the Code.

Well if its legit then I would not mind it at all but CODE have yet to lock me so it would not do me much good but I like the idea. Then again 10m is chump change to be honest. Even in a Venture that is. But as of yet I have not needed one.


Purchasing a permit may be too late when an agent has you in his sights ;)

To find out more about the Code, I would highly recommend you read through the site in my signature. In particular the tab titled "The Code". If you have the time and the patience, you'll find a bit of a longer read under the "OTHER RELEVANT THREADS" section in the "Links" tab.

www.minerbumping.com

Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-03-11 14:25:08 UTC
Jonestu wrote:

It might seem strange but I find a sort of joy when a pirate locks me and demands a ransom. Not sure why but me not being a PvPer since I enjoy my mining I just like it. Most pirates are also very polite and nice towards you as long as you don't try to screw them over.


It's not strange, it's what you signed up to Eve for. That sense that, no matter what, the universe is a dangerous place. Knowing you can be violenced even while doing the most mundane activities is what makes those mundane activities fun. Congratulations on recognizing this. I dub thee Not-A-Carebear.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Jonestu
Royal Khanid Fleet Auxiliary
#11 - 2014-03-11 14:47:43 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Jonestu wrote:

It might seem strange but I find a sort of joy when a pirate locks me and demands a ransom. Not sure why but me not being a PvPer since I enjoy my mining I just like it. Most pirates are also very polite and nice towards you as long as you don't try to screw them over.


It's not strange, it's what you signed up to Eve for. That sense that, no matter what, the universe is a dangerous place. Knowing you can be violenced even while doing the most mundane activities is what makes those mundane activities fun. Congratulations on recognizing this. I dub thee Not-A-Carebear.

Would that make you the queen or king of EvE then? Or just a Lord?
Well anyway its quite plain what kind of game EvE is just by reading over the rules and such and going onto the forums. Heck even CCP made a video I believe where they show a new player being taken advantage of and he infiltrate and destroy that alliance. As to show what you can do in EvE so yeah I knew what I was signing up for.

I have met a few really rude pirates as well but most of them are quite nice if you talk to them and honestly a miner is just a piniata waiting to be bashed. But I still see myself as a carebear in the sense that I am a miner, I only do mining and production for now. I have not fired first, heck I have yet to fire anything at another player. I hoard my ore to make iskis and I manufacture to make even more. But I need a base to stand on. I will get into PvP eventually I am here reading and talking to people trying to learn before I get into it. Also its kinda nice to have a production character behind a PvP pilot so I can easily replace all that I will lose.

But another story that might seem stupid once more but I do enjoy to write.


So once more I was pressing my luck in nullsec since well the ore there is tasty if you can get in and out without going boom.
I knew that I was intruding on a alliance space but hey a miner got to make some ISKis as well. I was feeling quite proud of myself for ninjamining their tasty ore. Well this is going well I thought as I keep a close eye on my overview and on local.
I knew that most likely it was only a matter of time before someone jumps in. I was aligned towards a "safespot" that would most likely let me jump to a gate and out of there. I do love my Covetor and I was in a Miasmos as a hauler. I had even convinced a friend to come with me for protection against pesky rats.
So in on overview I see five people suddenly appear. 'Well time to get out of here' I say to my friend and I begin to pull in my drones and get all the ore into the Miasmos. But I was not fast enough they jump right on top of me and I am locked. My friend gets away. Looking over the people I see that they are not in the alliance that owns this space so they must be a recon squad I think to myself.

Friendly chaps as they are they open a convo with me, demanding to know what I am doing here and how much my beloved "Snarf Eggbert" is worth to me. I quickly calculate the price of it all. knowing I got enough ore to make everything I got so it would not be a huge loss but still its annoying. So I tell them that I would be willing to pay 200m to be let go. My ships were into armor as they think I am taking to long or believe that I am a part of the alliance. So after a quick chat its clear that they are here to scout out what kind of defenses the other alliance have.
Kind as I am I propose a deal. They let my poor Miasmos go and I will agree to jump before them into the systems in my Covetor. So they will know what they are facing and such and be a bit more safe. They did agree and I manage to get my ore back to station. Since I had agreed to the deal I honor my agreement and begin to scout each system before them, jumping in and reporting local before they come in. It ended up with me being blow to pieces by the alliance that owned the system but I made five new friends and had a good laugh with them on teamspeak.

While this was not a crime per se I was "stealing" ore from an alliance and I was ransomed for my ship. But in the end I lost the Covetor but hey its part of the fun. My Miasmos did survive with the ore and that was the important part for me.

6.023 x 10 to the 23rd power alligator pears = Avocado's number Dubbed Not-A-Carebear by Malcolm Shinhwa A carebear's diary

Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-03-11 16:27:31 UTC
Jonestu wrote:

Would that make you the queen or king of EvE then? Or just a Lord?


Here we are, born to be kings
We're the princes of the universe
Here we belong, fighting to survive
In a world with the darkest powers, heh
And here we are, we're the princes of the universe
Here we belong, fighting for survival
We've come to be the rulers of you all

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#13 - 2014-03-11 18:45:16 UTC
*sniffs*

This.....this was......beautiful.

*dabs eyes with hanky*

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
#14 - 2014-03-11 22:21:51 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
*sniffs*

This.....this was......beautiful.

*dabs eyes with hanky*


you post too much nonsense..

/blocked
raider womb
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#15 - 2014-03-11 23:18:12 UTC
So cute. I like these storys.
Also props for doing "dangerous" stuff.



On a sidenote though - there's no need to wait to get into pvp you can (maybe even should) do it now ;)
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#16 - 2014-03-11 23:38:53 UTC
raider womb wrote:

On a sidenote though - there's no need to wait to get into pvp you can (maybe even should) do it now ;)



OP is already involved in PVP. Mining is PVP because it interacts with the market and every trade is real-loss PVP.

But yeah, OP should feel confident to be involved in spaceship-shooting PVP and engage on his terms.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Jared Lennox
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-03-12 04:25:50 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Jonestu wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Have you considered a mining permit? They are only 10m isk and are good for an entire year, as long as you adhere to the Code.

Well if its legit then I would not mind it at all but CODE have yet to lock me so it would not do me much good but I like the idea. Then again 10m is chump change to be honest. Even in a Venture that is. But as of yet I have not needed one.


Well you appear to be code compliant already as you are polite to gankers, are at your keyboard and alert to what is going on around you. The 10 mill fee buys a lot more than just avoiding CODE guns. If you help locate botters and afk miners in nice ships and provide warpins then you will most likely get invited to their chat channel. They are a friendly and helpful bunch (Erotica has a fun channel too). Meeting new communities and making friends is always good in eve and if you have catalyst BPO's you will have some ready buyers.
Knowing where they are ganking will also aid your manufacturing as you can place new mining ships in the local market (plus fittings ofc) at a decent mark up over Jita so that ganked miners can quickly buy a new ship Evil
If some local miners are annoying you then it is usually possible to get an agent come help you gank them which is also fun and likely a new gameplay experience for you.
Anyway it will open a ton of doors and the cost is so low.
Just my 2 cents.


One of the best comments I've seen in a long time. +1 sir.

http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html

Brylan Grey
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-03-12 04:37:30 UTC
I have an alt that afk mines for a few side isk. Two alt's actually. Nothing serious. Am at the keyboard the whole time but working so can talk etc.

But full fledged bitters... They need to die. It's one thing to play eve while working and can't focus 100% of the time, it's another to not mine and be out at the bars erc. Lol.

As for the OP, love your story. I always enjoy hearing stories of things just working out. Next time, hire and escort! :-)
Jonestu
Royal Khanid Fleet Auxiliary
#19 - 2014-03-12 07:17:15 UTC
Brylan Grey wrote:
I have an alt that afk mines for a few side isk. Two alt's actually. Nothing serious. Am at the keyboard the whole time but working so can talk etc.

But full fledged bitters... They need to die. It's one thing to play eve while working and can't focus 100% of the time, it's another to not mine and be out at the bars erc. Lol.

As for the OP, love your story. I always enjoy hearing stories of things just working out. Next time, hire and escort! :-)

Well an escort is not a bad idea but they take about 50m and I have had escorts run away at the sight of pirates so I had to pay another 50m to the pirates to not be spacejunk. So I am a bit restrictive with that. I don't mind paying people to aid me but its little they can do about a suicide gank for instance. So it just cuts to deep into my profits.

6.023 x 10 to the 23rd power alligator pears = Avocado's number Dubbed Not-A-Carebear by Malcolm Shinhwa A carebear's diary

Jonestu
Royal Khanid Fleet Auxiliary
#20 - 2014-03-12 07:21:37 UTC
raider womb wrote:
So cute. I like these storys.
Also props for doing "dangerous" stuff.

On a sidenote though - there's no need to wait to get into pvp you can (maybe even should) do it now ;)

Well I see so many Pirates messing with miners from the pirates perspective here so I thought it would be nice to see it from the miners for once.

As for your sidenote, I might do that but for now I am quite content hoarding my ore and building my stuff. Its far to nice for now.
Right now I am doing a lot of work for pirates that blew me up once. They needed ships so we did a deal they don't attack me and I build things for them and sell them at a very small profit to them. Sure I don't make a lot of money as if I would sell it on the market but I make some iskis and I am now "free" to mine in some low/nullsec places.

One day I will get a ship together and fit my missiles and on that day I will let you know but for now I am a Not-A-Carebear as I have been dubbed. I got another story for you all as well but I am at work so when I got some time over I will write it down.

6.023 x 10 to the 23rd power alligator pears = Avocado's number Dubbed Not-A-Carebear by Malcolm Shinhwa A carebear's diary

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