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Double tanking + lg halo
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Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#1 - 2014-03-11 09:01:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Starbuck05
Hey guys,


In the past when someone was double tanking ships except for the odd ocasion of a carrier, that person would either get laughed at or imediatly tought that its bad, and it is! Until now that is..or,well untill ccp gave us ancillery reppers and boosters. Some people might still laugh at the ideea while others surely have beaten me to the punch .

Last week i came across a video Aldap posted and he used in several ocasions a double tanked and lg halo cruiser setup,so that got me thinking..can i use the same ideea but on a much smaller scale? Ofc! So i started experimenting and might i say so far its success


I have been using t1 frigs or interceptors to great effect fitted with both ancil boosters and ancil reppers + lg halo ( minus omega implant cause its not worth the isk ) and i engaged just about anything i could find with the exception of rocket platform ships due to the fact that reduced sig wouldnt be as effective since rockets already have explosion radius of 20 sig.

So the ideea is that, all turrets have a signature factor of 40, meaning that if you take away tracking and optimal range, if the targeted ship has a sig below 40 the guns will not deal full dmg. Also coupled with both reppers and speed you easly get double the burst with v few slots used and almost no effect on cap. Simply when ancil booster runs out of charges u use the repper and normally the paste should last untill the booster has reloaded,rinse and repeat.

Also having smaller sig it protects more againts alpha.

Its just the best thing ever.



So , your toughts?:)

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Plug in Baby
Family Tipes
#2 - 2014-03-11 10:15:57 UTC
Starbuck05 wrote:
lg halo ( minus omega implant cause its not worth the isk )


So , your toughts?:)



Have you read the description for the omega? 1.25X set bonus, it makes a huge difference! There are very, very few situations where undocking a pirate set without omega is a good idea and this is not one of them. Not to mention it only costs 130m! Less than half of most LG omegas, less than a 5%. I am going to assume you aren't talking about null sec so chances are you wont lose the pod anyway.

Halos are only situationaly better than other sets, for example snakes will give you a similar level of sig tank to halos vs many ships, with the added benefit of speed. While in a passive tanked ship slaves will probably give you more tank that halos. That said there are situations where they are still very useful.

Regarding dual tank I can't think of a time when I'd do it.

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#3 - 2014-03-11 10:37:29 UTC
I bought my lg halo set on 2007 for 100m and still using it. It has survived from several 0.0 trips.

It seems that it can not just die Shocked
Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#4 - 2014-03-11 11:20:26 UTC
Plug in Baby wrote:
Starbuck05 wrote:
lg halo ( minus omega implant cause its not worth the isk )


So , your toughts?:)



Have you read the description for the omega? 1.25X set bonus, it makes a huge difference! There are very, very few situations where undocking a pirate set without omega is a good idea and this is not one of them. Not to mention it only costs 130m! Less than half of most LG omegas, less than a 5%. I am going to assume you aren't talking about null sec so chances are you wont lose the pod anyway.

Halos are only situationaly better than other sets, for example snakes will give you a similar level of sig tank to halos vs many ships, with the added benefit of speed. While in a passive tanked ship slaves will probably give you more tank that halos. That said there are situations where they are still very useful.

Regarding dual tank I can't think of a time when I'd do it.


Well yes, ofc i read the omega's description. Before i bought and plugged i tested in pyfa and the omega would only decrease the total sig radius by just 1 point. So i felt it was not worth it even for just 130 mil. The slot is better suited towards either +3% pg or cpu.

As for the snakes , i have tested those aswell and discovered the increase in speed wasnt that great to be worth spending 600 mil (i aint mega rich ) also while its not null sec there are plenty of people flying around in disco bs's like santo.

And the lg slaves are not worth it on small hulls cause they only provide little boost towards hp.


All of this , is ofc , in my oppinion

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Plug in Baby
Family Tipes
#5 - 2014-03-11 12:22:22 UTC
Starbuck05 wrote:
Well yes, ofc i read the omega's description. Before i bought and plugged i tested in pyfa and the omega would only decrease the total sig radius by just 1 point. So i felt it was not worth it even for just 130 mil. The slot is better suited towards either +3% pg or cpu.


1 point of sig can still be over a 3% reduction, which is pretty reasonable. The issue with using fitting implants is that if you use them in one clone some of your fits won't work in other clones, unless you never use any omegas.

If halos reduce incoming damage by say 15% then on a buffer tanked ship slaves can be a better option as they'll increase eHP by >30%, even on small ships.

If you don't think its worth it then don't bother, but I think in that case it's probably best to avoid pirate implants anyway.

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Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#6 - 2014-03-11 14:50:07 UTC
Plug in Baby wrote:




If halos reduce incoming damage by say 15% then on a buffer tanked ship slaves can be a better option as they'll increase eHP by >30%, even on small ships.

If you don't think its worth it then don't bother, but I think in that case it's probably best to avoid pirate implants anyway.



Are you sure of those numbers or are they just random ? looks random to me ...


And yes , i do think so but i don't think its best to avoid pirate implants . Thanks anyway for your feedback :)

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#7 - 2014-03-11 15:42:50 UTC
halo set has also some other feature as making you harder to catch on gate so you may avoid some gate camps too.
Plug in Baby
Family Tipes
#8 - 2014-03-11 15:44:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Plug in Baby
Starbuck05 wrote:
Are you sure of those numbers or are they just random ? looks random to me ...


And yes , i do think so but i don't think its best to avoid pirate implants . Thanks anyway for your feedback :)


No, its based on fact I just couldn't remember exact numbers, but here you go: 14.3% sig reduction for LG halo set, sorry for my random 0.7% error.

33.8% increase in armor HP from LG slaves, again sorry for my 3.8% error there, truly I know nothing off the top of my head.

Well you've been told by someone with vastly greater experience of pirate implant sets, yet you cling to your hunches. Why did you ask the question if you don't want to listen to someone who knows what they are talking about? Did you just want someone to come along and validate what you think you know?.

You think its not worth spending ISK for the bonus from the omega, despite it being one of the better ISK:Effectiveness implants of the set. By that logic it is not worth buying any of the set. The same argument applies to taking genolians over other Halos if fitting + price is more important to you than sig.

Anyway you seem stuck in your ways, so feel free to reject my feedback, but hopefully other people who read this may welcome the advice. :)

Bad Messenger wrote:
halo set has also some other feature as making you harder to catch on gate so you may avoid some gate camps too.


Yes and making you more difficult to probe, among others. I have both HG and LG halos sets and I do not believe they are bad, they are just highly situational compared to snakes and slaves which have more general use.

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Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#9 - 2014-03-11 17:24:54 UTC
Plug in Baby wrote:
Starbuck05 wrote:
Are you sure of those numbers or are they just random ? looks random to me ...


And yes , i do think so but i don't think its best to avoid pirate implants . Thanks anyway for your feedback :)


No, its based on fact I just couldn't remember exact numbers, but here you go: 14.3% sig reduction for LG halo set, sorry for my random 0.7% error.

33.8% increase in armor HP from LG slaves, again sorry for my 3.8% error there, truly I know nothing off the top of my head.

Well you've been told by someone with vastly greater experience of pirate implant sets, yet you cling to your hunches. Why did you ask the question if you don't want to listen to someone who knows what they are talking about? Did you just want someone to come along and validate what you think you know?.

You think its not worth spending ISK for the bonus from the omega, despite it being one of the better ISK:Effectiveness implants of the set. By that logic it is not worth buying any of the set. The same argument applies to taking genolians over other Halos if fitting + price is more important to you than sig.

Anyway you seem stuck in your ways, so feel free to reject my feedback, but hopefully other people who read this may welcome the advice. :)

Bad Messenger wrote:
halo set has also some other feature as making you harder to catch on gate so you may avoid some gate camps too.


Yes and making you more difficult to probe, among others. I have both HG and LG halos sets and I do not believe they are bad, they are just highly situational compared to snakes and slaves which have more general use.



There is no reason for you to get upset honey , i did say thanks for the feedback , i did not however say i don't believe in your argument only that they seem random , which apparently they where , however no one can trully know everythin of the top of they-re heads

Mind if i repay your kindness with my own advice ? train modesty to lvl 5 , it helps :)


As for the numbers them-selves they do indicate slaves are better idd , i do however tend to aproach more for the active tanking so while slaves would still give more effective hp they would not help me that much unless i complement with a plate . Therefor , in my oppinion , halo's work better for me . And there is nothin wrong with using fitting implants

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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#10 - 2014-03-11 17:44:09 UTC
Aldap' ships often rely on their small sig so a set of halo would often be very beneficial. Also don't forget the drug that lowers the sig as well (can't remember the name).

You shouldn't be afraid of missile ships. Actually missiles have a harder time applying damage to low sig targets than turrets so go nuts. Even though your sig is higher than the rocket's sig then lowering your sig will help.

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Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#11 - 2014-03-12 08:00:11 UTC
Mizhir wrote:
Aldap' ships often rely on their small sig so a set of halo would often be very beneficial. Also don't forget the drug that lowers the sig as well (can't remember the name).

You shouldn't be afraid of missile ships. Actually missiles have a harder time applying damage to low sig targets than turrets so go nuts. Even though your sig is higher than the rocket's sig then lowering your sig will help.



Oh snap! I forgot about the drug

Thank you v much

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