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Eve Source Plaque

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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1 - 2014-03-11 02:52:24 UTC
As I'm sure most everyone here is aware, the limited edition Eve Source set came with a commemorative plaque which features a cryptic image supposedly to give a little hint of Eve's future. Now, I don't know how widely the shipments have been disseminated, I know that the Collector's Edition arrived a little earlier for me than other people (anomaly of the postal system?) but I've been looking at it and just want to share my initial thoughts with everybody and hopefully get the ball rolling on some community investigation. For those that wish to not sully their virgin minds with details of the image before actually getting their own or anything turn back now, what follows is a poor description of it.

The image is a series of lines, branching off from a central point, they are of differing angles and lengths. There are eleven in total but one centered at 6 o'clock on the bottom is different from the others. Ten of them are at odd angles and feature various series of dashes (both in the "|" and "-" positions) which start at different points along the line but with each series then continuing to the end of its respective line. This eleventh line, however, has a single "-" at the very bottom of the line (furthest from the intersection) and nothing else.

The first thing that struck me was the idea that a series of intersecting lines in three dimensions would look like this and that "triangulation" patter reminded me of the Project Compass of the Arek’Jaalan Project which dealt in using distances between control towers to try and discern the location of W-Space in relation to K-Space. It seems, however, unlikely that that's what this is. There are more lines than necessary on the plaque and the plot you would end up with locating the two areas of space in relation to one another would not create an image of a set of lines intersecting at a single point. It also does not lead us anywhere with the dashes.

My next thought, and the one I'm currently considering, is that this is a hint about a new area of space being opened up. The eleventh line could be seen as the last system of a region which connects to a new region. The rest of the lines emanating from the intersection would be those systems which could be accessed once in the region. One of the things I've noticed is that while there doesn't seem to be an immediate pattern in the different series' of dashes I have noticed that every series begins (beginning meaning reading from the portion of the line nearest the intersection and moving outward along the line) starts with a "|" and never a "-". If these series' were showing us each systems's set of planets and moons and planets were represented by "|" then it makes sense that we would see each one begin with a "|" and never a "-" (Planet A then moons of Planet A then Planet B and so on, never moon first).

One of the things that might not work with this theory is the large numbers of planets in each system (with some having 20 or more). Now, if this new area is to be confined to ten systems for any great period, it might make sense to have so many planets in them (if the planets are in anyway related to what we're supposed to do there, like for resources or salvaging ancient stations, etc. etc.). Even still, I cannot imagine the crowding that would result. It just does not seem sensible.

The only thing that gives me a little hope is that in Eve Source's epilogue about looking towards the future it mentions that travel to new areas of space is somewhere in between unlikely and impossible. But then it asks what if that weren't the case and new areas were opened up? I think I'm probably wrong on the details but I feel confident that it's saying something about going to places we do not yet have access to or know about (or, and this is a stray thought, letting us build stargates in W-space).

This is the culmination of about 20 minutes of not in depth brainstorming, and I'm very nearly 100% confident that I'm not even close. But, you know, let's get at this.


"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13

Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2014-03-11 13:16:30 UTC
The image is the symbolic equivalent of the Pioneer plaque charting the position of sol relative to 14 pulsars and the center of the galaxy. Line length is relative distance between fixed points and notches indicate the rotational frequency of the pulsars in question. Plaque 315 (mine) of 1400 is NOT equivalent to the pioneer plaque. I have yet to make specific measurements but rotational frequencies DO match in some cases, but positions do not. The common origin line possibly points to the eve gate, rather than the galactic center, but this is an untested theory.

I would like to see if the plaques are all unique. If so, each one may (hypothetically speaking) chart the position of a new system, leading to speculation that 1400 new systems may exist. By calculating the rotational difference (angular) between pulsars by matching frequencies with the pioneer version then matching between plaques, the coordinates of each system may be located, and with a program such as Octave, plotted in a 3 dimensional graph.

Assumptions:

- The common origin point is the EVE gate for this exercise
- All plaques are unique
- Coordinates are for stars, not other phenomena
- Logic and/or reason has been put into the crafting of these plaques (they may just be cute curios that closely match a real thing but without any real value)

Method

- Collect as many plaque images as possible, match to pioneer, if 6 or more pulsars match, chart their positions (pioneer represents the 12 o clock orientation, all others represent a variation of rotation about an arbitrary non-Z axis - i.e. the cluster plane)
- If this stage makes positional sense, compare plaques to one another, again charting rotational differences and relative line length ratios to ascertain position (A is half as close to P1 and B is, B is +45 degrees clockwise rotation relative to the same pulsar when compared to A)
- By mapping the differences between all (or a good sample) of plaques, using the eve gate as a central feature should provide a vector between the object in question and the central position between all pulsars. Only 6 pulsars and a point of origin are required to match, 14 pulsars are charted for redundancy
- Using these results, coordinates may be mapped in octave and a point-cloud in a 3-d plot can show the distribution of each 'plaque' relative to a common origin (observation) point in space (eve gate assumed)

This is a rough and ready method, but will at least begin to classify any attributes shared across plaques.

So, Ibrahim, consider me very interested.

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Seliah
Blades of Liberty
#3 - 2014-03-11 15:31:32 UTC
Hello,

Count me in aswell. The image on the plaque also made me think of the Pioneer plaque and it got me curious, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one !

I guess we gotta find out whether all plaques are unique or not. Should we start posting plaque pics somewhere ?
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#4 - 2014-03-11 15:40:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
Posting pics would be good - but tape over or edit out the unique code at the bottom, even if you have used it, leaving only the serial visible (0315/1400 in my case).

Is there any way to set up a publicly accessible imgur album to submit to? If we can set up a standard title format, we could order by serial to make a comprehensive list. Also it would be ideal if people could, at the end of each line, without obscuring detail, photoshop in the length of a line in millimeters. The is because we won't have a standard distance/exposure/angle of photography, so measurements need to be taken prior to submission.

The mm measurement doesn't directly correspond to distance, but is important when charting relative distance between the origin point and 14 pulsars. Difference in measurement is a factor of transformation in real space between two points when all other factors are constant (the same pulsars from two different points).

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Seliah
Blades of Liberty
#5 - 2014-03-11 15:46:03 UTC
Aelisha wrote:
Is there any way to set up a publicly accessible imgur album to submit to?


The only thing that comes to mind are google albums, which you can set to be editable by everybody who you shared the album with.

If you want a naming convention and more information such as a millimeter scale, it could help to make a short illustrated tutorial on how to submit a plaque pic properly, and then this tutorial can be passed around. You seem to know a bit about how to read these diagrams so I'll let you figure out what could be useful here I guess :)
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2014-03-11 16:20:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
Thanks, I will put my method to the test today and tomorrow night and let you know how it goes. We can move from this stage if the plaques conform to some real output, rather than just being accurate-looking, but ultimately decorative, artifacts.

Quick update, found this: http://www.exploringbinary.com/binary-code-on-the-pioneer-10-spacecraft/

I will compile a gdoc sheet for my plaque compared against this tonight for reference to check for parity of pulsars and number of unique pulsars if any.

Additional edit, I should mention that Annabella Rella is responsible for my line of thinking here. She quite helpfully pointed out it was similar to the Pioneer plaque last night. So hats off to them, will be crediting the inspiration to them on my contributions.

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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
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Arataka Research Consortium
#7 - 2014-03-11 18:58:30 UTC
This is just fantastic! Well done to Aelisha for some excellent work and to Annabella Rella for sparking it. My ideas are silly in comparison (which is good, it means we're probably that much nearer the truth). I think it is right that the next step is to begin comparing plaques with a standard method of cataloging.

As to what the ten non-origin lines might point to I'd like to put forward another hypothesis in the "Ten Anomaly Controversy" of the Seyllin/Shattered Planets Incident. CONCORD has said that there were ten such anomalies in K-space but only seven were within the stargate network. We could try and see if the seven align to the Eve Gate in a way shown by the plaque and then deal with the three unknown ones if anything interesting turns up. It could just be a coincidence, though.

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13

Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2014-03-11 19:53:04 UTC
I have conducted an initial survey, and plaque 0315 has zero parity with the Pioneer plaque. There are also significant differences:

- 0315 has 10 pulsars + origin line, Pioneer has 14 + origin
- None of the periods match, and this seems to be more than just the pulsars slowing with age
- It is likely that the origin in the EVE gate as previously listed, in Pioneer it is the galactic core of the milky way

Essentially, we must ascertain how many pulsars are on each plaque, 10 seems to be the mapping standard here. Then we must start to check relative frequencies of those pulsers and check whether they correspond to a given position (are they all the same?) or if there are differences (but with at least 6 matching pulsar frequencies, regardless of numeric position).

using the mapping guide for pulsar binary previously posted will at least allow us to get a start checking if our numbers are correct. Below, is the binary for plaque 0315. (origin line assumed as 12 o clock position, counting clockwise):

1 // 100111111101101001000011110100110
2 // 11010101111010100111000011111
3 // 111000110000111110001011011011
4 // 111000010101101111101001111100
5 // 1111110111010011001100011010
6 // 110111100100000110101000000011
7 // 1100111110001110011001001010110
8 // 1000101000110111010001010000010
9 // 11110101001101111111011010011
10// 1001000110101111100001101111011

I will try to help out where I can, harassing people for their source plaques IRL to see if we can get a match or at least determine if they are unique.

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#9 - 2014-03-11 20:12:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
An email could be setup to receive plaque pictures and an album open to the public can be setup on an image hosting site.

EDIT: Wait, are we sure that the actual image differs from plaque to plaque? I just checked the Eve Source dev blog and the image looked similar to mine.

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13

Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2014-03-11 20:20:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
Yeah I am starting to think they could all be the same. So trying to figure out if they are identical should be the next step.

EDIT: Looks the same as mine too, in which case they might be all the same. Will try and get pics from friends to confirm.

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#11 - 2014-03-11 20:35:16 UTC
Image for general reference.

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13

Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2014-03-11 20:51:44 UTC
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:


They are exactly identical. Welp :S. Back to the drawing board. At least we know what they ALL are now when we figure it out.

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Blades of Liberty
#13 - 2014-03-11 20:54:17 UTC
Yep, same as mine. It still gives the location of something, it just won't be 1400 somethings !
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2014-03-11 23:14:54 UTC
Latest efforts from Phyridean and the Reddit crew:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15VL_kgaNOuU1_mcecZHw_HCw4ExXoxEAnZllFH5n_Ao/edit#gid=0

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/203uio/lets_decipher_the_eve_source_map/

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Seliah
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#15 - 2014-03-12 08:44:20 UTC
I'm a bit confused with the fact that these pulsars match real-life ones. I don't see how that could help in finding something that's located in New Eden.

About pulsars, could they be related to the wormhole system effect ? If wormhole systems have a known location in the EVE universe, maybe the 9 pulsars of the plaque are referring to 9 w-space pulsar systems.

I compiled some information about pulsars in w-space, just in case it's relevant :

142 Pulsar systems in total :

  • 12 C1 (6 static HS, 1 static HS/C2, 1 static HS/C3, 3 static LS, 1 static NS/C4)
  • 24 C2 (7 static HS/C4, 9 static HS/C3, 3 static HS/C1, 4 static LS/C2, 1 static NS/C6)
  • 34 C3 (7 static HS, 20 static LS, 7 static NS)
  • 35 C4 (4 static C1, 1 static C2, 11 static C3, 12 static C4, 7 static C5)
  • 26 C5 (3 static C1, 3 static C2, 6 static C3, 5 static C4, 7 static C5, 2 static C6)
  • 11 C6 (1 static C1, 2 static C2, 1 static C3, 7 static C5)


Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#16 - 2014-03-13 00:26:52 UTC
Good luck hope this is fruitful.
Kaban Bastanold
Catsoup Empire
#17 - 2014-03-13 17:03:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaban Bastanold
Editing to remove wrong info.... I've just read further and people are way beyond me. Interesting that they relate to known pulsars

As a thought, is it possible that number 4 relates to an unknown wormhole/pulsar system. Like for instance, isn't sansha hiding in a wh somewhere? could we assume it's location from the information we know, regardless of the fact no-one has been there?
ISD IonCharge
ISD STAR
ISD Alliance
#18 - 2014-03-14 13:58:21 UTC
Here are my findings on my plaque and how I went about finding out where it's pointing to.

Began by identifying the binary strings, converting them into frequencies and identifying the pulsars using ATNF's database.
http://imgur.com/a/Wytlu

Then got the x,y,z coordinates for the identified pulsars:
http://i.imgur.com/GUaLeqT.png

Plotted the 3D Z-X-Y coordinates, turned it round a bit and voila, the point distribution matches the pulsar distribution on the plaque!
http://i.imgur.com/HXbsfNC.jpg

...and overlaying the plaque onto the screen, you can see it's a pretty close match. Of course it's not perfect, because the coordinates are spaced out in 3D and the card had to be a 2D representation of this, but it's still quite clear.
http://i.imgur.com/3nUgqAK.jpg

Converted the pixel lengths of the lines into kpc (kiloparsec) lengths, to match the units used by the coordinates, by taking point 5 to be approx. 909px / 10.03kpc from centre, and multiply the rest by that:
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=k5ixYhjy

Solving this to find a centre gives, very approximately (-0.23, -8.3, 0.56). We'll call it to be accurate to within 5%, or 1kpc.
which is in line with expectations (based on the previous image with the overlaid plaque).

Earth's coordinates are approximately (0, -8.5, 0) in this coordinate system.

Accounting for errors introduced in measuring the line lengths etc, this is a pretty reasonably close match; the diameter of the galaxy is about 30kpc so being with 0.6 is fairly convincing.

The identity of the 10th pulsar remains unknown at this point.

ISD IonCharge

Executive, ISD:STAR

Seliah
Blades of Liberty
#19 - 2014-03-14 14:27:56 UTC
Impressive work there, ISD IonCharge. May I however ask where in all this you think there is a clue for us to find ? I understood all your calculations / explanations, but I'm a bit lost when it comes to seeing the big picture, and what this is telling us. Is the 10th unknown pulsar the only unknown variable, or are there other things left out ?

And can all this be related to EVE's universe ? Maybe this is supposed to give us the location of the other side of hte now closed EVE Gate in real space.
Reiisha
#20 - 2014-03-16 00:08:42 UTC
Why would CCP try and find a new way to show Earth's location? Somehow i don't believe they'd just recreate the Pioneer plaque with different pulsars.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

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