Crime & Punishment

A brief sidebar about semantics. Particularly in the code vernacular.

If the attack is against a bot (or aspirant) then 'technically' isn't it PVE. If shooting red +'s controlled by an AI is pve, then surely killing an afk miner could be considered in similar terms.

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Highsec is the most populated area in the game. It's where the industry is. It's where the market is and trillions of ISK are moved around day after day. I am sure something happens in a place like this that matters.

Are you sure it does not matter who controls this place? Or do you think it can't be controlled and that capsuleers are only supposed to project power out there in nullsec where CCP created some game mechanic for it? Do you think the "endgame" is out there in some XYZ system and not in Jita because everyone tells you it has to be this way?

If you look at recent EVE trailers from CCP, they always have some kind of element about how the capsuleers influence in empire space is rising. So even CCP seams to acknowledge that we are taking over. I wait for the trailer where the CONCORD guy gets knocked down and James 315 takes over the mic.

Good Morning esteemed community of C & P,

Yesterday I had an interesting conversation with a 2 month old high sec miner regarding myself and my corp ganking miners in high sec.

As is customary in local, after I fought a mackinaw with my catalyst I exclaimed "Good Fight" in local, and proceeded to express my love of PVP, by saying " I love to pvp"

A miner who was in the ice belt at the time proceeded to respond that it is not pvp due to it not being a fitted combat ship that could kill me. Killing defenceless ships is not pvp due to them not being able to fight you.

I proceeded to explain that as I was versing a player, and the person I killed was a player, therefore I was "versing" another player which qualifies to fall under player versus player.

Now correct me if I am wrong, but every ship in the game, besides concord, npc rats, faction police, customs officials etc is another player, and therefor ganking another player, defenceless or not is PVP.

Miners/carebears that read this need to be well aware that Ganking is PVP and always will be, defenceless or not.

Thankyou in advance,

loyalanon
The Conference Elite
Enforcer of the Code. and a true Champion of high sec.

Having loyalanon and his rather numerous friends show up in Kino is always a treat for both myself and the Code compliant miners. Seeing a loud, foul mouthed rebel miner suddenly surrounded by red flashing ships and reduced to gas and podded 16 jumps away always raises moral (and silences dissent).

In any case, I'm pretty sure nobody is actually claiming that they are paragons of Eve PvP because they've destroyed dozen, hundreds or even thousands of miners. My opinion is that ganking IS PvP by definition. But elite PvP?

No. Elite PvP is controlling the activities of thousands of highsec miners who have bought permits or mine in Procurers despite that being the definition of surrendering to the reality of the New Order as the rightful authority of Highsec or the, now literally, thousands of complaints, insults, petitions, illogical rationalizations and down right real world threats that our activities have generated.

How many miners who formerly believed they could safely AFK mine in highsec now know different? How many ships have been tanked because the last one they had had been confiscated by New Order Knights? How many players who formerly thought they HAD to mine in highsec to start their Eve careers said, "Screw this!", strapped on guns instead of mining lasers and went out and shot somebody in the face.... all because a New Order ganker showed them there was a better way to play?

Some of the posters here have hit the truth very close, although they didn't mean to. The point of ganking isn't to destroy a mining ship, say "Yay, look at me!" and point to a nice kill board. No, the point, which is what the carebears HATE most about it, IS the meta. The "We control you", "No, you don't", BLAP! "Yes, we do...." If being ganked was what bothered people (and to tell the truth, it is what some people just want to avoid, hence the "tank your ships" comments) then we wouldn't see all the complaints about whether the Code was legitimate, whether we had "the right" to do what we do and oh, God! NOT THE ROLEPLAYING!

We sell hundreds of permits a month. We destroy thousands of ships. We make players change what they want to do, sometimes to what we tell them to do, sometimes to protect themselves while they fool themselves into thinking they are still in control of their game play. The angriest are the one who actually DO understand what we are doing. Because they know that despite all that has been said and done about it, we still enforce the Code every day.

I'm always very glad to hear that a particular miner who claims to have never been ganked or bumped by us is still very aware of our existence and what we require of them. Its one thing for someone who has personally been compelled by our Agents to go read www.minerbumping.com . Its a demonstration of our real influence when those who haven't show they care about who we are and what we do.

Don't worry. Your turn will come.


Highsec is worth fighting for.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

I've been telling them they're ridiculous this entire time, and live in low-sec, not null sec, so what you could possibly be talking about is a mystery to everyone but you. It seems to be the habit in here to imagine what someone said, and respond to that.

And Nothing that happens in Highsec matters.

I'm not 'upset' I'm laughing at these people who do the exact same activity the miners are doing... shooting at 'rocks' and somehow think they are masters of the universe

It really is entertaining

So, lemme get this straight, your definition of 'elite' PVP is scamming new players?

LMFAO

I didn't think it was possible but, we found the one group of self-righteous pricks with greater delusions of grandeur than the goons!

Nowhere in the post you quoted is there a reference to "new players", nor "scamming".