Crime & Punishment

Hey there,

As a carebear and a Hi-sec miner I agree that highsec ganking is PvP.
Greifing... give me a break this is EvE. Harassing is one thing but picking a miner of D-scan and taking him down is legitimate PvP. Sure CONCORD will blow his ass to kingdom come but hey thats how they keep people from just blowing people up in hisec.
Do I get annoyed when someone suicides my Covetor and it goes boom? A bit yeah. I would happily pay a ransom to that player then he destroying my ship. But this is EvE its not WoW or something like that. Its open PvP in all areas, if you have a problem with someone blowing up your ship then go and mine in a tanked Procure and you will most likely last long enough until CONCORD shows up to kill the nasty pirate.

I don't want to make it easier, my main income is mining and I get set back about 2 days when someone blows me up but hey I knew that coming in. So rather then complain about how its unfair that someone can be in a ~3m Catalyst and blow up your 100m Covetor do something about it.

So what can you as a carebear do to stop those pesky pirates from blowing you up?
Well honestly lowsec mining is usually more safe then highsec. In lowsec you know that all that are not in your corp/alliance will blow you up. In highsec anyone can be a canflipper or suicider.
Mine in a Procure since that ship can take some punishment, learn how to fit it and they will most likely leave you alone since you are not worth the trouble.

I hear you saying now "Well in a Procure I will not mine as good as in my fancy Covetor." Well while this is true you are also less likely to be blown up so I would say that its a good trade.


But to end this rant. If you don't like how the game is played then stop playing or adapt to the situation and do the most of it.
Hell I once saw a Cata warp in and I managed to get a convo with him as he locked me, I asked what he wanted for not blowing me up, he said 50m and I gave it. Honoring his word he went away. I would pay 50m to save my 150m ship any day.

So pirates and other scum, roam on and have fun. I will happily pay your ransoms and I am aware of the risks but I am still having fun even when I go boom. Also I love this forum its so fun to read.

Or that Starfox spent the last 8mo in nullsec fighting in the Summer war and the Halloween war.

The ONLY thing I don't like about high-sec/suicide ganking is the abruptness of the attack. Once the gankers arrive, there's literally nothing the gankee can do to prevent it, he's dead. The entire battle is won or lost before even the first ganker arrives on the scene.

If the gankee had options such as ECM'ing, using drones to fight back, etc, I would understand, but with today's DPS numbers, there's literally no hope for you to even try to fight back. Drones will do literally nothing compared toe the DPS you're receiving. You can't really even have a buddy with you. That won't matter. By the time he locks and kills maybe one of the gankers, the target is already blown to pieces.

I'd like to see all damage reduced by 50-75% in high sec. AND reduce Concord respond times by an equal amount. You could even change Concord damage numbers + whether they will kill a target if the gankers missed the target or not. This way, you can have vigilantes patrolling that you can call for help to and have them actually arrive in time. You can actually try to mount some sort of last stand defense with drones/ECM. The other miners in the belt may feel pity for you and send over drones to help. And if the miner is still doing the stupid things he is doing now, he would still die to the gankers.



tl;dr;
I'd like to see running fights instead of blappers.

The point is that you don't need to be guarding the miners to have an impact. The miner gets ganked, he says "Hey I'm under pirate attack in so-so belt, 5mil reward if you come." in local. You get players coming from anywhere in the system to fight. And then you can bait the miner's white knights into a trap and so on and so forth. So the guy can be doing missions in the system and still come and help.


Also would help freighters getting blapped on gates. You see this happen? Everybody just watches and says, "Welp, nothing we could have done anyway" Could also lead to ransoming the freighter's goods instead of just blapping it and taking the half that survives. win-win for both parties. well, win more-not lose as much

Your defense is paying attention to local and d-scan, and leaving the belt before the gankers land.

Also, my industry alt rarely mines these days, but when he does, it's with 4 ECM drones out + 1 combat drone to potentially whore on Concord KMs and kill rats. No one ever tries to gank him, because there are always softer targets in system.

Quit trying to nerf hi sec because you feel entitled to AFK in space there.

I would suggest that if you want to defend yourself, having a non combat ship is not how you do it.

That's really like suggesting that haulers be able to adequately defend themselves with DPS, it's just not happening, and there is a good reason. Because their role is NOT combat.

This shouldn't be a shock, but it appears as such. Generally speaking, once the first shot is fired, it is already too late to save your ship. This is especially true when we are talking about close range, high dps ships.

The only defense you have is to be ready for the attack before the attack happens. This means you need to have a jammer on field ready to jam, a remote repper on field ready to remote rep, or a tank fit large enough to survive until concord arrives.

Please. Look at who's talking before making stupid accusations. (And my sec status)
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=corp&name=Justified+Chaos


Also, I'm not sure who taught you (BeBopAReBOP) math, but half your DPS and double the time = same damage. So if you could kill it before, you still can kill it now. I'd even want to increase Concord response times by a greater margin because of the impact friendly forces can have against the miner. I'm trying to reduce Concord impact and leave greater choices in the hands of the players. Ganking someone in Jita compared to Villore shouldn't just be tied to Concord response times, but also player response times. So in effect, you should have a longer time to kill a target if nobody shows up to help him, but in heavily traveled systems, that won't happen, so you have to take into account the playerbase.

Gankers 'missing' a target means that the target did not die and was only aggressed. This could lead to Concord only killing 1/2 of the ganker ships (1/2 of the most expensive ship hulls) This could happen just by losing point and letting target escape, or by ransoming whatever you're trying to kill.


Obviously, I mentioned nerfing Concord damage just so Concord doesn't just mean instant death, maybe have 5-10 seconds to OH guns and try to kill target/escape (if you didn't end up finishing off the kill). Would also want to nerf all aspects of Concord aggression.


What I am suggesting does not make high sec 'safer' in any way other than actually to let more people in on the fighting. It's still just as dangerous for the lone miner/hauler. But give him a busy system, and there's bound to be people willing to help out against those nasty pirates.

You said that you wanted to reduce concord response times. That indicates a faster response. Re-read your previous post if necessary. I'll assume you meant that you wanted to reduce concord response speed, not time. Even this isn't technically correct though because concord spawns and doesn't need to move unless pre-spawned.


This makes a little more sense than what you said previously, but I really don't think this will work out the way you want it to. It destroys any sort of ganking on gates as an option, and in my experience other players rarely shoot at criminals.


I really don't understand the point of nerfing concord in anyway except response times. As for "1/2 half the ganker ships" I have no idea how you'd plan on calculating who gets destroyed, espcially in the case of solo ganks. In addition anyone who isn't destroyed is stuck on grid unable to warp or (I think) eject. In addition theres no rational explaination why being in high sec would reduce dps. and this would break wardec mechanics and make active tanks/ancilliary reps/Logis completely op. I have to go for now, hopefully I'll be able to continue this discussion later.

i really thought most of you would want to revamp the boringness of high sec pvp. thanks for letting me know that you're really just out to make people cry