Player Features and Ideas Discussion

from the discussions on the forums ive had, it seems most freighter pilots see it as unfair that it takes friends to get u out of 10v1 situations.

they also often have a belief that they should be able to carry an unlimited value of goods with impunity, and never have to be aware of their surroundings or eve mechanics.

true that

Or.... you could read the rest the thread.....

And the 30 or 40 threads from various freighter pilots and others on bumping and freighter ganking.....

There's no way your through all the Freighter bumping threads, in which the same ideas were brought up and put down....

No sorry, I meant this thread. I don't think I have the mental capacity to read through 40 threadnaughts about people being ganked / bumped. (So much hate!) This thread was about changing the nature of it rather than removing it, which I assume some of the other threads suggest.

Just because you don't like an idea doesn't make it a bad one - equally, just because I like an idea doesn't make it a good one. Though I do think that this thread has generated some good ideas and explored some interesting options from both points of view. At the end of the day that's what F&I is all about.

If only there was a polling system built into the forums that would make getting accurate figures on ideas so much easier!

How about this? If MWD is activated during said bump, there will be damage received appropriate to the speed and mass difference. Recognize that still leaves room for people to get up to speed, shut off their MWD shortly before impact, but that's for CCP to figure that out.

To clear something from earlier. It was my intention to recognize that incidental bumping does exist and not to penalize a ship just because the server had it warp into you at the gate or in the belt. Obviously when you hit align or warp to gate/belt, you have no idea if there is a ship parked in that spot.

The flip side of that is you could have damage still, but not significant enough to cripple a ship. The idea being that repeated ramming, as is done intentionally, could cripple a ship. look if you want to sacrifice a frig, ten frigs, five cruisers, just to get a freighter, the pay off is still worth it. However, a single ship or two continually bumping miners for an hour at length would likely cause damage and even, hopefully, incapacitate the ship permanently. Then you have risk. Or as was stated earlier, give the miners some way to combat the bumpers without Concord intervention.

That wasn't what I said. If you've ever tried blocking another ship moving at warp, it isn't that easy to begin with. You are still talking about being bumped a single instance versus bumping, bumping, bumping. If you did go into someone's mission, (how do you do that anyway?) and got him to bump you incidentally, I doubt he'd try to continue the bumping since his purpose is to run the mission.

I also didn't say you'd get Concorded for a single instance of bumping, but damage is appropriate. Either that or give the bumpee some tool to fight back without Concord intervention.

Ok, so now you can bump without being suspect, and you can bump to deal damage and without getting Concorded, but you somehow think this wont result in suicide gankers softening up their targets by repeatedly bumping freighters until the target is heavily damaged, then suicide ganking them with less people than are currently needed. Bump enough and you might only need one Talos to kill a freighter.

Unless magic mystery physics means that only the one with the MWD takes damage? In which case lolno.
Either there is no collision damage, or both ships suffer it, but only one side taking damage is not an option.

As explained many times, suspect flags are not a possibility, go read the last few pages to understand.

For "tools to help fight back" that's your proposal. If you have an idea, say it. It's certainly not my job to come up for solutions to your problems that I don't think are a problem.


Edit: To get into someone's mission you just scan them down while they are running it, then warp to them. It will either place you in the pocket with them or at the first acceleration gate. Very easy, it's how ninja salvaging works.

I did not say that bumping someone with a MWD would call Concord. I said it would result in damage. Okay, damage to both ships. I agree with the point that you could use a dozen ships to soften a freighter. I guess that's a problem for a freighter pilot. I have four freighters. never really experienced that problem, but I learned as a noob not to AFK or autopilot a freighter. Anyway, agreed, no easy solution. that doesn't mean it isn't necessary and should be given up on. Brainstorming is how many solutions are revealed. I see this as brainstorming. Perhaps someone will throw out an idea that could be merged with other ideas that does work.