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What's the point of a POS in High sec?

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#21 - 2014-03-14 14:35:09 UTC
BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck wrote:
Wouldn't POS fuel be extremely expensive for people who live on highsec income? Why bother with one at all if you have stations!


Its really not that much. Consider someone who is running level 4's and lets (very) conservatively estimate their income at 50m/hour. Even then its less than 3 hours of PVE to fuel your small research pos for a month. Double that and you can do a medium tower with a generous layer of defense, enough labs for a full invention toon and a full research/copy toon, and enough manufacturing capacity to eliminate or greatly reduce your reliance on station manufacturing slots. Obviously you should be funding the pos with the value gained with the pos, but sometimes you're investing in bpo research or other stuff.

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Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#22 - 2014-03-14 17:06:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Oska Rus
I was asking myself the same question but with different reasoning.

HS POS cannot be considered safe. You can be wardecced and your pos reinforced easily. and your enemy can use BS/marauders. Only thing i can think of is easy accesibility.

If I would be using industrial/research pos i would rather place it in C1-HS wormhole system. No BS/marauders, nescessity for enemy to scan twice and go each time to different place, my own PI.

So whats the point of HS pos over C1 wormhole pos?
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-03-14 17:30:00 UTC
If someone blows your tower up, bye-bye BPOs. If someone blows a highsec tower up (which requires a 24 hour notice of intent), the BPOs are still safe in the station.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-03-14 17:32:55 UTC
the amount of stuff that needs to be moved in and out.

depending on what you produce it does not take long to get to the point where your bottleneck is transportation.

transport is annoying and i want to avoid it as often as possible. transport through wormholes is a sheer nightmare compared to the already bad situation a lot of industrials are in
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#25 - 2014-03-14 18:17:24 UTC
Oska Rus wrote:
I was asking myself the same question but with different reasoning.

HS POS cannot be considered safe. You can be wardecced and your pos reinforced easily. and your enemy can use BS/marauders. Only thing i can think of is easy accesibility.

If I would be using industrial/research pos i would rather place it in C1-HS wormhole system. No BS/marauders, nescessity for enemy to scan twice and go each time to different place, my own PI.

So whats the point of HS pos over C1 wormhole pos?


uh.. lol.

if someone's going to attack your pos, you get an extra 24 hours to prepare
billions of isk in blueprints is never at risk
billions of isk in production mats are never at risk.
You can't set up courier contracts to or from a wormhole.
You don't have to leave a pos babysitter in the hole
you can get away with a small pos in hs for cheap research
med pos provides lots of capacity and can be well defended, rarely wardecced.

If you aren't otherwise living in a wormhole or doing PI in a wormhole or trying to do reactions, then setting up a pos to do invention, research, or production in a WH is pretty dumb. The general rule applies that anything that can be done in hisec is best done in hisec.

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Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2014-03-17 11:50:11 UTC
They have excellent ganking and awoxing properties.

For a ridiculously low cost of a small POS burning cheapest fuel available:

- The forcefield gives -10 pods a safe place to hang out - without needing to dock up.
This is especially useful while multiboxing due to 1 minute docking timers, etc.
Gank, then return -10 pod to the forcefield immediately while looting, tear collecting, etc.
Always fun to collect tears from would be 'whiteknights' who try to scan down your outlaw pod, only to run into a forcefield they are unwilling to man-up and wardec. Instead, they are reduced to crying in local for others to do it for them, while you continue to strike miners unmolested.

-Ready-built gankships can be left floating in forcefield without risk of being stolen in open space, to be boarded when a suitable target is located, either in a belt or on a gate. Nice to have a Brutix, a Tornado, a Smartbomb BS and a few Catalysts floating nearby, so the correct tool for the job is available in seconds, and an attack can be launched immediately without mucking about in a station.
This also avoids issues that can arise from 3rd parties camping stations.

-Can be used by multiple like-minded parties outside of corporation, simply by sharing the shield PW.

-AWOXers who do not wish to be prematurely booted from their 'guest' corporation, can 'hang out' indefinitely AFK in a friendly POS forcefield without being forced to fly cloakable ships. This increases the tear yield, as they cannot be ejected from a corp until they are either logged off or docked up. Forcefields assist in this plan.

If the POS gets wardecced, you have many good options:

-Arm it and force a 'real' fight at a known time and place. Get kills. (win for gankers)
-Let multiple chars waste their time killing it. Win for gankers, as multiple chars waste hours attacking a structure worth 60M, after being forced to pay wardec costs. Don't forget to fully stront, harden and ECM for max tears.
-Remove it and replace, with plenty of time to spare. Empty ships floating in POS can be removed at any time, even after reinforcement.

A friendly highsec POS is a ganker's best friend.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2014-03-17 17:55:17 UTC
BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck wrote:
I live in a WH, and my corpmates and I have always wondered why there are so many POS's in highsec. The only possible reason I can think of is possibly reactions and research, but really? Wouldn't POS fuel be extremely expensive for people who live on highsec income? Why bother with one at all if you have stations!

really? have you tried to get a research slot in high sec lately? which is cheaper paying for fuel or losing your BPO's trying to haul them to a lower sec pos?

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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#28 - 2014-03-18 06:35:23 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:

You obviously have a misconception of what high-sec profits are for some people.


I was going to say the same.
Jonestu
Royal Khanid Fleet Auxiliary
#29 - 2014-03-18 11:31:27 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
Styth spiting wrote:

You obviously have a misconception of what high-sec profits are for some people.


I was going to say the same.

I can only agree since I have a projected income of 1.4 billions per week with hisec mining.
So to have a dedicated POS for research is just wonderful.

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nercomonger
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2014-03-22 17:52:29 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
If someone blows your tower up, bye-bye BPOs. If someone blows a highsec tower up (which requires a 24 hour notice of intent), the BPOs are still safe in the station.


Two pages of posts, and nobody has corrected this statement.

You never need to put your bpo's in the pos.

You place your bpo's in a corp hanger, and lock them down. (so they are safe even from directors, can't be unlocked without a vote.)

You have the remote lab operation skill trained to lvl 1.

You use the labs in the pos, and the bpo never leaves station. Once your jobs are done, you fly to the pos and get your copies/invented bpc's or modules.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-03-22 18:17:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
nercomonger wrote:
Elena Thiesant wrote:
If someone blows your tower up, bye-bye BPOs. If someone blows a highsec tower up (which requires a 24 hour notice of intent), the BPOs are still safe in the station.


Two pages of posts, and nobody has corrected this statement..


No one's corrected it, because it's not wrong, you're reading out of context. He was asking what's the advantage of a highsec tower over his WH tower. Hence my answer "If someone blows your tower up, bye-bye BPOs. " because his tower is in a WH where there are no stations so the BPOs have to be in the lab hangers.

Whereas someone blows up a highsec tower and the BPOs are still safe in the station because they never had to be put in the tower at all.
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