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What ever happened to the Star Trek Generation? The future.

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Adunh Slavy
#61 - 2014-03-11 11:40:26 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:

The problem with societies without little to no government is that a large portion of the human population are morally charged and dido not like to see the total subjugation of the lower classes that occurred when man was left to their own accord during the early years of the Capitalist experiment.


The "Capitalist experiment" ... your educational background is showing.

Slade Trillgon wrote:

The socialist movement in the States was a direct backlash from the basic enslavement the workers experienced in the US pre 1890. If those that want governments to mostly dissolve, succeed at getting what they want, they need to better self regulate themselves; otherwise the masses will not be pacified like they were when they were totally uneducated.


Your slant is the result of a lack of information. The standard of living was increasing during those years for the vast majority of people, long before the government welfare state was put into place. Living standards rose, prices were slowly falling, people's savings gained value, even when stuffed under a mattress or buried in a hole.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#62 - 2014-03-11 11:55:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:

The problem with societies without little to no government is that a large portion of the human population are morally charged and dido not like to see the total subjugation of the lower classes that occurred when man was left to their own accord during the early years of the Capitalist experiment.


The "Capitalist experiment" ... your educational background is showing.

Slade Trillgon wrote:

The socialist movement in the States was a direct backlash from the basic enslavement the workers experienced in the US pre 1890. If those that want governments to mostly dissolve, succeed at getting what they want, they need to better self regulate themselves; otherwise the masses will not be pacified like they were when they were totally uneducated.


Your slant is the result of a lack of information. The standard of living was increasing during those years for the vast majority of people, long before the government welfare state was put into place. Living standards rose, prices were slowly falling, people's savings gained value, even when stuffed under a mattress or buried in a hole.


Every political system is still in an experimental stage. None have been proven successful enough to exist as the sole way to run any state. Your educational background is showing. Can you say that we are living in a purely capitalist state currently or that there is an example of a purely capitalist society currently operating in today's world? I hazard the answer is no, therefore it is/was an experiment as it has not succeeded yet. Please acknowledge the fact that I did not say it was a 'failed' experiment as the workings are still there.

It is not a slant. The upper classes, who were morally charged, still saw numerous hard working people living in abject poverty when those that controlled the business swelled their fortunes. It is the likes of Bernie Madoff and all the other white collar criminals that help hold back the 'progress' you want. If people in today's levels of regulations pervert things to their own befits to the extremes that they do, without a care for those that they are above, there is little for the masses to trust. Just saying.

Again, trust me I would like to see less regulations, but as a species we continuously show that we do not play well without rules. Unfortunately, rules do not fix the problem. I hope you do see that the problem here is that the human race is greedy on all sides, so this battle will never end as it is cyclical in totality.

P.S. Adunh, just so you know, I am an anarchist at heart. I hate anyone telling me how to do what I think is right, but I completely understand that humans are innately unable to operate, on large scale, in that type of system.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#63 - 2014-03-11 12:35:54 UTC
MutnantRebel wrote:
In this world we have some absolutely, mindbogglingly brilliant minds. These people are diligently studying physics, designing military weaponry, and taking our overall technology leaps and bounds into the future. Every day someone invents something new. Computer software, communications, lasers that shoot down missiles, hyper-sonic missiles....

Do our nations not realize that if we ALL pool together, we could be sending ships to explore new planets in less than a generation? Physicist Michio Kaku stated that Star Trek, when it comes to influencing modern technology, is THE standard by which todays tech inventors hold themselves. Many, many of the things we see in Star Trek are not only possible, but already exist today. Doors that open and close by themselves, small handheld communication devices, and things that scan us for medical problems..... MRI's.

Currently, it seems everyone would rather squabble. Instead, we could pool together and explore new space based materials, new technology, and finding new planets. Heck, a company a while back was in news because of their aim to go mine space rocks LOL. And now we've got a group wanting to colonize Mars. But these are small beans compared to what we COULD be doing! I doubt we'll ever get to use a Transporter, but we SHOULD be reaching for the Stars instead of fighting each other over money!


Interest in space exploration is an optimistic type attitude that seemed to wane when society went from "the future's so bright I got to wear shades" to "the walking dead".
MutnantRebel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#64 - 2014-03-11 13:34:57 UTC
I disagree that "The Walking Dead" is a negative in this. While things going on right now aren't going to get any better, world wide, any time soon, in the end we will at some point find ourselves able to look at the stars again. We always have. Whatever happens over this next decade, it will be temporary. Everything is.

It's being an optimist while realizing that reality has a hold on the world that has built sky scrapers. Gravity and all sorts of math and science goes into the building of those, and it all started with someone that said "I want to build the tallest building ever, how do I do it?".

We will find solutions to problems, we always do. Eventually we may find problems that can't be solved, and maybe interstellar travel will prove to be that. But knowing this as fact begins the process of asking, how do we, rather than stating all of the reasons we can't.

I'm a doomer myself. I believe Global Economy is going to have a melt down at some point. I'm not alone in this. But while so many say "End of the world", I simply remember my history... We've been here before. When Rome fell, the world was getting to be what it is right now. Chaotic, lots of violence, all kinds of craziness, but we came out of it. We remade what it was to be Human. We've survived 2 wars to end all wars, and have put men, and rovers, on the moon, other planets....

So I can't see how we CAN'T do such a thing as people. If we didn't have hope and optimism, we'd be extinct already.

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2014-03-11 14:10:04 UTC
Greed.

This is why we all can't have nice things.
MutnantRebel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#66 - 2014-03-11 15:05:58 UTC
Slade, could you define YOUR idea of what a Fundamentalist is in the US? What Fundamentalist group are you referring to?

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#67 - 2014-03-11 15:10:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
MutnantRebel wrote:
Slade, could you define YOUR idea of what a Fundamentalist is in the US? What Fundamentalist group are you referring to?


Religious zealots that want to control everyone in their fashion and under the rules of their dogmatic 'leader'.

EDIT: Typically in the States it is mainly Fundamentalist Christians. The ones that believe in Adam and Eve, Noah's Arc, Creationism in totality.
MutnantRebel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#68 - 2014-03-11 16:11:55 UTC
I believe in those things, I don't believe you should have to do so.

Currently in the States there is a war on Christianity, and I'm not speaking on a standpoint of trying to start argument here, we could just simply say that it all goes both ways.

However, I am such a person that understands that the Bible, itself, is man made. A human being wrote the stories in it, and humans sifted through to determine what was doctrine and who does not. In the Middle Ages, I would be considered a heretic, for I believe many stories in the Bible have a different, valid, explanation other than what was stated, and I also understand that people back then, if they saw something spectacular, would have no clue what they saw.

But if I understand you correctly, you're saying that the Atheism push here in the US, going out of their way to invade anything that even mentions Jesus whether they would have normally read the article or not and push Anti God agenda.... Then I can see why you find someone to be "fundamentalist". Some have even tried to eradicate churches, but leave Wiccans and such alone.

What is it you're looking for? A world where a man doesn't have to lift a finger to earn a living if he doesn't want to? I'm not sure I understand. Where will that lead? Should it lead to robots that bath you, dress you, and feed you as well? What, exactly, is the goal?

I care not what you believe or disbelieve. That is a personal thing, for each person. Nobody's going to say anything here to change any minds, nor should they. You're smart enough to log into a forum at the least, which tells me you're perfectly capable of deciding for yourself what's good for you and what isn't. Why isn't there more of a live and let live? After all, isn't that what America, supposedly, was all about anyway?

As an American, I can say I don't see it anywhere around here. You're one thing or the other, no middle ground, and our own thoughts aren't allowed to be our own as we have the NSA to record and catalog for eternity to potentially use ANYTHING against you in the future. The extremes, well illustrated in your post, tell the tale of what will happen here in the US.... We will, at some point, cease to exist as we are today. Likely, we will become many smaller nations some time in the future, because these divides are too large, too deep, and too hostile toward one another. Without unity, there is no Country.... It's just land with some jerk taxing the crap out of it's disjointed citizens. Basically slavery.

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Adunh Slavy
#69 - 2014-03-11 16:51:34 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:

P.S. Adunh, just so you know, I am an anarchist at heart. I hate anyone telling me how to do what I think is right, but I completely understand that humans are innately unable to operate, on large scale, in that type of system.


Yet you comprimise and provide excuses for the rulers.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt