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What ever happened to the Star Trek Generation? The future.

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MutnantRebel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-03-09 10:36:37 UTC
In this world we have some absolutely, mindbogglingly brilliant minds. These people are diligently studying physics, designing military weaponry, and taking our overall technology leaps and bounds into the future. Every day someone invents something new. Computer software, communications, lasers that shoot down missiles, hyper-sonic missiles....

Do our nations not realize that if we ALL pool together, we could be sending ships to explore new planets in less than a generation? Physicist Michio Kaku stated that Star Trek, when it comes to influencing modern technology, is THE standard by which todays tech inventors hold themselves. Many, many of the things we see in Star Trek are not only possible, but already exist today. Doors that open and close by themselves, small handheld communication devices, and things that scan us for medical problems..... MRI's.

Currently, it seems everyone would rather squabble. Instead, we could pool together and explore new space based materials, new technology, and finding new planets. Heck, a company a while back was in news because of their aim to go mine space rocks LOL. And now we've got a group wanting to colonize Mars. But these are small beans compared to what we COULD be doing! I doubt we'll ever get to use a Transporter, but we SHOULD be reaching for the Stars instead of fighting each other over money!

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Aspalis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-03-09 10:47:28 UTC
There is a very simple reason why we are not living in a Star Trek-esque utopian world.

Us and them.

If you relate to people with a us and them-mentality, it becomes very easy to alienate, discriminate and even hate.

Marcus Gord: "Aspalis is an onion. Many layers, each one makes you cry."

Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#3 - 2014-03-09 10:50:08 UTC
Space exploration doesn't give many votes.

Things like: lower tax, better welfare and such do.

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BLACK-STAR
#4 - 2014-03-09 10:50:28 UTC
OP wants a one world order of french fries, hamburger, diet coke and no ice. Free.

MutnantRebel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-03-09 11:00:17 UTC  |  Edited by: MutnantRebel
LOL no. Not at all. I'd rather it be a voluntary cooperation. I'm not a man who asks for things to be free. I can, and do, pay my own way, like I would think most people do. I used to have a lot to say in the negative about welfare, but as the economy gets worse I'm starting to soften my thoughts on that some. People should work, but when business are going out of business left and right, and the price to live goes up, you can't really do much about it.

Likewise, I wouldn't submit to a one world government. Ever.

But, it WOULD be a boost to economies all over this planet to go explore others. Finding new industry and moving forward. Look at us, we're stuck in the dark ages still. We're still doing the same crap that went in during the crusades, WWI, WWII..... It's no different today. We're still fighting each other. I did some of that fighting, and I personally just think we could do so much more with our time.

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-03-09 11:24:21 UTC
I stopped reading at Kaku. He is a hack and he does real physicists a disservice.

The biggest barrier to space travel is our perception of scarcity as a species. As long as we think it's better to fight each other for resources instead of using them, this little rock that is Planet Earth is all we'll have to chew up and destroy.

This is not to say the laws of physics itself is not a barrier. Sure, you can go to other planets but you will be an old man if you take that journey. Mars takes a full year of spaceflight - it is virtually impossible to keep someone supplied in space for a journey like that.

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MutnantRebel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-03-09 11:34:24 UTC
True, sending someone to another galaxy seems out of reach.

I was considering the idea of warp drive, or something similar, and thought, isn't it that the closer you get to speed of light, the larger you become or something like that, which will limit the amount of speed you can actually push? Maybe I'm off with that, but I do remember seeing some reason why light speed is impossible to achieve with anything other than light. Wormholes not withstanding, however I wouldn't have a clue how you would create one.

Mars takes 18 months to get to, unless it's on it's closest to earth in it's orbit, then it's 6 months.

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Aspalis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-03-09 11:42:47 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
I stopped reading at Kaku. He is a hack and he does real physicists a disservice.



Butthurt over the AMA he did on reddit where he pretty much ignored any hard (physicist) question?

Marcus Gord: "Aspalis is an onion. Many layers, each one makes you cry."

Kudos12345
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-03-09 11:48:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Kudos12345
Thing is we already have the tech right now to travel at 10-30% of the speed of light and send massive payloads into space and we have had the tech for the last fifty sixty years, the hint here is the downside involves a lot of atmospheric radiation :D

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But in saying that again things like that can be reduced with further research and resource dedication in such areas.
Aspalis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-03-09 12:24:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Aspalis
Kudos12345 wrote:
Thing is we already have the tech right now to travel at 10-30% of the speed of light and send massive payloads into space and we have had the tech for the last fifty sixty years, the hint here is the downside involves a lot of atmospheric radiation :D

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But in saying that again things like that can be reduced with further research and resource dedication in such areas.


You are forgetting radiation from our own sun and inter-stellar sources (galaxies, nebulae, stars, supernovas, quasars and gamma-ray bursts).

Marcus Gord: "Aspalis is an onion. Many layers, each one makes you cry."

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#11 - 2014-03-09 12:46:38 UTC
The problem is the Internet manifested itself and eventually proved that humanity is actually pretty despicable.

If there is no immediate method for profit from trying something new, the 1% is just not interested in financing it. They will frack the Earth to death before spending money on resources "elsewhere". It's more economically efficient that way doncha know ??

There is a frightening increase in the number of people the past decade who absolutely have no belief at all in science. Religious and sectarian wars are far more fun and exciting.

Besides, all people can talk about and debate about anymore are celebrities and scandals.

That's about it really.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."ย  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

MutnantRebel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-03-09 14:20:33 UTC
Well, I happen to believe religion and science can work together just fine, once humans get out of our own way. But that pesky 1% does indeed put a damper on things. Currently a few of them are hell bent on keeping this planet and it's people unstable. Apparently it's more profitable when you control the people. Pushing wars over religion/resources/money/oil is not just profitable, it's a way to control people as well.

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Adunh Slavy
#13 - 2014-03-09 14:38:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Adunh Slavy
MutnantRebel wrote:
LOL no. Not at all. I'd rather it be a voluntary cooperation.


Start Trek (Rodenberry) voluntarily created a *fictional* script where everyone volunteered to behave in a way other than humans have behaved for all of recorded history and poof the magical fairy land of the star trek world came to be.

MutnantRebel wrote:

But, it WOULD be a boost to economies all over this planet to go explore others.



It would? How do you know? Fact of the matter is you don't know.

What WOULD boost the economy of the world is if all of the governments of the world stopped meddling in the affairs of all the people in the world. Governments produce nothing, all they do is consume wealth and consume productive capacity, and do so by involuntary means.

Imagine all of the time and effort spent, by individuals and business, on complying with regulations.

Imagine all the of the time and effort spent by governments on making sure people are complying with those regulations.

Imagine all of the time and effort spent by governments on administrating their regulations.

And not least of all, imagine all of the guns and bombs, which is wealth spent and then destroyed, destroying yet other forms of wealth all over the world, from fields to pigs and chickens, houses, buildings, and not least of all lives.

Add up all of the wealth, involuntary stolen from the people of the world, by the governments of the world.

Want a new planet to explore and give a massive boost to the economy? Get rid of your governments.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.ย ย - William Pitt

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#14 - 2014-03-09 14:50:08 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:


Imagine all of the time and effort spent, by individuals and business, on complying with regulations.

Imagine all the of the time and effort spent by governments on making sure people are complying with those regulations.

Imagine all of the time and effort spent by governments on administrating their regulations.



Yup. And still 4 stolen passports manage to get used to board a plane that went down.

Whether they bribed security employees, or if it is part of a massive terror operation, there is corruption and sabotage everywhere. Nobody and nothing is immune to this.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."ย  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

MutnantRebel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-03-09 14:59:22 UTC
I was actually meaning the reaching minds of Trek fans that went out and used those ideas and made a few of them happen. While Cell Phones may not have been thought of by the companies developing them as "Star Trekish" I would venture to guess that many of those that designed Cell Phones were Star Trek fans, and may have even been influenced by the show.

No, I DON'T know that going into space will boost economy, not as much as drilling an oil well in the Gulf of Mexico anyway. Not immediately. However, suppose you found new minerals in an asteroid.... Or on our moon. If there's a will, there's a way.

However, you're right.... Government's do indeed get in the way. Currently MY Government is doing it's all to cut down on freedom. We've cops that will kill you for punishing your child (spank, slap, whatever). They'll beat you up for filming them. They produce something alright.... Fear and resentment. I think they want it this way. They also make you into a criminal when you fly.

I don't believe in anarchy, but I certainly don't believe government should be involved in a peoples private lives. But, they are and they're recording what I'm trying as soon as I post it, because that's what they do now. Or maybe all along, and just now we're learning that it's going on. Whatever the case, we as humans are going to get NO WHERE this way.

As I sit and read these, and other, posts I am thinking, and I think it's all well and good to look at things from loftier perspectives.... But the fact is down here in the quagmire of humanity.... We've still got the same crap over and over again, since the fall of the Romans. If we can't learn from, and escape the cycles of our past.... We've no hope for a real future.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#16 - 2014-03-09 15:14:58 UTC
MutnantRebel wrote:
I was actually meaning the reaching minds of Trek fans that went out and used those ideas and made a few of them happen. While Cell Phones may not have been thought of by the companies developing them as "Star Trekish" I would venture to guess that many of those that designed Cell Phones were Star Trek fans, and may have even been influenced by the show.


This is actually what happened. There are tons of articles written over the years.

MutnantRebel wrote:
However, you're right.... Government's do indeed get in the way. Currently MY Government is doing it's all to cut down on freedom.

I don't believe in anarchy, but I certainly don't believe government should be involved in a peoples private lives.


At least for America, is it really the governments that are the problem......or is it the ones who have actually bought the government (Koch Brothers etc.) ????


"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."ย  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

MutnantRebel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-03-09 15:40:55 UTC
"Let me issue and control a Nation's money and I care not who makes its laws"

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-03-09 21:27:31 UTC
Aspalis wrote:
Butthurt over the AMA he did on reddit where he pretty much ignored any hard (physicist) question?

You've made me curious.. I have to go read it!

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Kudos12345
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-03-09 21:30:56 UTC
Aspalis wrote:
Kudos12345 wrote:
Thing is we already have the tech right now to travel at 10-30% of the speed of light and send massive payloads into space and we have had the tech for the last fifty sixty years, the hint here is the downside involves a lot of atmospheric radiation :D

edit
But in saying that again things like that can be reduced with further research and resource dedication in such areas.


You are forgetting radiation from our own sun and inter-stellar sources (galaxies, nebulae, stars, supernovas, quasars and gamma-ray bursts).


Actually thats pretty standard knoweledge.
Slymah
DorpCorp
#20 - 2014-03-09 21:34:12 UTC
โ€œWe must continue to go into space for humanity, we wonโ€™t survive another 1,000 years without escaping our fragile planet.โ€ Stephen Hawking
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