Crime & Punishment

"You must unlearn, what you have learned.."

- Scrooge Mcduck

Tbh, I think a full PvP universe would be better than a weird split up one like this; at least in full PvP, you know what to expect, whereas how it is now, people have no idea what kind of weird loophole mechanics exist... sure, Eve is a different world, but like seriously.. maybe they should add suicide ganking to the tutorial system, so as to show people how to avoid it. :D

MY GOD!

I'LL CALL A VETERINARIAN RIGHT NOW!

will he be bitter?

Your second point seems like the shittiest game mechanics invented, and how can you as a 2009 character not be aware of risk assessment. Hope your eagle gets better.

My very first day playing Eve, within the first two hours even, I learned, and knew was truth, that you DON'T FLY ANYTHING YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE! Nor do you HAUL anything you can't afford to replace! Once I knew that, I've never had a problem. I've been ganked more times than I can count! You won't find me shedding a single tear over it. It's the way the game is, no big deal, learn survival skills. Now it's second nature to check D scan, to not fly or haul that which I can't replace right off, insure every ship I fly. and don't be a cry baby when I get popped. I got podded yesterday, lost a set of +3's when my Corax was hit by a ganker in Hek :) I messaged him and we had a good laugh about it. We chatted for some time actually.

Learn not to fly that which you can't afford to lose and learn that you're going to lose ships, accept it and move on. Then enjoy the game. if you don't wish to do that, go back to WoW.

A few days ago I decided to learn how to use the forums after having offered various game-play ideas to GM's through petitions . I was always told to go to the forums because they would be more apt to seriously look over my ideas there than they would petitions . The fact that i've posted here is not to take something away from you that you've been used to doing like hi-sec ganking but to let people know that it's being abused.....much more so than a few years ago when this activity was rarely heard of and that went double where freighters were concerned . Hi-sec may not have to be totally safe but it should be much safer than it is today where ganking has taken on an almost organized crime look and feel . That's not right and it's only fun to a small portion of the players playing EvE most of whom seem to post in this thread . I know that there are many others who feel about it in a similar manner as myself but I can see now why they might not want to post on the forums . From my own experience I've been threatened in-game , told I'd better not poke my nose outside my station and even had to sit through one "tasteless" rap video from a young man who probably dreamed that there was bits of wisdom among all those 4 letter words as he blamed CCP for posting it on U-Tube .

I'd like to clear a few things up:
#1 I appreciate all the tips I've received on how to avoid being ganked even though I suspected that they were delivered more out of loathing than a legitimate concern for my welfare .
#2 I've been around EvE for much longer than most of you , judging from your profiles and for very good reason Matogg is an alt so if you're wasting your isk trying to figure out that he's in Jita then waste not.... want not and that goes for blowing him up . He looses nothing of any consequence and that includes his pod . Don't waste your resources . BTW any content in this thread are solely the ideas of me . Just one player .
#3 Stop telling me to go play WOW . I've got a sizable investment in EvE and I'm only trying to make MY GAME a better place to play in . Besides I understand that WOW has a sizable part of the world population owning accounts in it so it couldn't be as bad as all that . Just not my game .
#4 I have never lost a ship in hi-sec due to ganking [I have a few tricks of my own] and neither have any of my alts . My concern with ganking is only because a new breed of player is abusing and changing the game and yes I have sympathy for guys just trying to move an expensive load of moon-goo materials and other T2 and T3 building materials . If they take it in 2 loads that means they just doubled their chances of getting ganked especially going through these 0.5 security bottleneck systems that organized hi-sec gankers love so well [routes to every major hub has them] . Yes , I know there are things to prevent trouble . Not everybody has access to the best ways though .

That's weird, because less than a year ago CCP stated that highsec ganking, of mining barges at least, was at an all time low. Haulers get ganked because the owners make it both profitable and easy to do so, Mining ships have the possibility to be considerably tougher than they used to be, yet people still don't fit a tank or purchase a permit.

Gankers put an effort into making other peoples stuff explode, why don't their victims do the same to make sure that their stuff doesn't?

It's safer for "law abiding" players than it ever has been, especially if people put thought into how they play.

The safety put paid to "accidents", it's a lot more difficult to get someone to foolishly engage you, because they have to think about it now; although some are just plain dumb and engage regardless. Crimewatch 2.0 made offences that previously carried a corp wide PvP flag carry a global PvP flag, go flashy yellow in highsec and everybody can shoot at you.

Wardecs are now absolutely trivial to avoid, corps can be closed and reformed within seconds to avoid them, people in highsec screamed for this, and now they moan like hell when people like James315 do it to point out the weakness in the system. NPC corps are full of people quite happy to affect others via the market and other activities while avoiding the consequences of doing so.

Considering that their style of play has been repeatedly nerfed changed, that wardecs are trivial to avoid and that many people hide behind the skirts of NPC corps, is it any surprise that the gankers are now far more organised about what they do, and that they're cooperating with each other to achieve their goals?

1. Unless you remove combat altogether it cannot be much safer than today. If you nerf ships gankers will bring more. If you increase concord, gankers will bring more ships. Whatever it is you think will make high sec safer, gankers will find a way around it I gaurentee. And if you remove non-consensual combat from EVE, well, then you lose EVEs unique selling point.

2. Victims can be organised. Victims can do things to help themselves. They choose not to. Everyone can use dscan, everyone can add negative contacts and watch local, everyone can join a corp and ask someone to scout the route ahead for them, everyone can use shield/armor mods, everyone can limit how much they stick in a freighter or use a courier. The victims have access to exactly the same game as gankers do.

Please see these threads:
1. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=176498
2. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=199310
3. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=186759
And if you want more, https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site%3Aforums.eveonline.com%2F+intitle%3A"bumping"
Victims aren't shy to pipe up by the hundreds.


#1 Many people on the forums are sick of players not helping themselves, whining that CCP "do something" and then CCP doing something, and then those players still whining.

Personally, I'm sick of people doing the 14/21 day trial, getting a good feel for what the game is, paying the sub fee and then instead of saying "well ****, I don't like this, maybe I should find another game to play" they say "wahhh wahhh I don't like it, change it!!!". The most infuriating thing is the people that scream up the most (generally it's miners - see above threads) are the people who spend 95% of the game AFK.

#3 For what it's worth, I absolutely hate that too. It's such an easy get-out insult that takes away from rational discussion. I prefer to say that if you don't like EVE, that's perfectly okay and there are plenty of other games to play. It's not an insult, it's a fact.

#4 I snipped 4 for length, leaving in what I'm replying to.
- Ganking isn't new, ganking has been around from the very first day you were able to lock a target and press F1, probably in the alpha in 2003.
- If each load is worth little enough, they vastly reduce their chances of being ganked each time.
- Everyone can make a courier contract. Of course that costs isk, but there's your choice. You either take a risk hauling it yourself, or you pay someone else to do it. It's a compromise. As I'm sure your alt is aware, everything in this game is based on risk and compromise.

I am so very sorry for your loss. I too think that pvp should be something you choose to do in a game. Infact I am part of an entire alliance of people dedicated to making eve a safer place for everyone. We can even replace your lost assets through our alliance wallet. I'll send you a message in game and we can talk about making you part of the family.