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The Mittani for CSM

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The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2014-03-07 10:17:36 UTC
CSM hold power and influence.

This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main.
Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters
Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
#42 - 2014-03-07 10:18:13 UTC
Andski wrote:
Basically if he were to run he'd inevitably be elected and there's not a damn thing you'd be able to do about it beyond post more tears on the forums. Whether CCP would clear him to run is another question, but he wouldn't run without clearing it with CCP beforehand, so if he ever did post that he was running, you'd be unable to effect anything there (or anything at all)



This post sums up how the goon attitude is towards the rest of eve and has me concerned, If this standpoint is nurtured and propagated then this game's future is in trouble.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#43 - 2014-03-07 10:25:46 UTC
Tyrton wrote:
This post sums up how the goon attitude is towards the rest of eve and has me concerned, If this standpoint is nurtured and propagated then this game's future is in trouble.


The only reason they can be like that is because no-one else is prepared to put in the time and effort to take them down. It's entirely the fault of the players that don't like them that they're so unlikeable.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#44 - 2014-03-07 10:26:43 UTC
I'll keep Mittani in President if I get a free phone.
Inari Visas
Federal Navy Academy
#45 - 2014-03-07 10:30:05 UTC
admiral root wrote:
The only reason they can be like that is because no-one else is prepared to put in the time and effort to take them down. It's entirely the fault of the players that don't like them that they're so unlikeable.


You seriously put ALL responsibility on everyone BUT goons?
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#46 - 2014-03-07 10:40:53 UTC
Inari Visas wrote:
admiral root wrote:
The only reason they can be like that is because no-one else is prepared to put in the time and effort to take them down. It's entirely the fault of the players that don't like them that they're so unlikeable.


You seriously put ALL responsibility on everyone BUT goons?


When people hate them just for winning? Yes.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#47 - 2014-03-07 10:43:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Inari Visas wrote:
You seriously put ALL responsibility on everyone BUT goons?

In all seriousness, what do the goons do that is so bad?

They have a reputation that is often referred to, but what are the despicable things they do?

Aside from their recruiting scam that they openly market as being a scam (and in doing so, give people plenty of warning so it can be avoided), what is so evil about GSF?
Inari Visas
Federal Navy Academy
#48 - 2014-03-07 10:49:41 UTC
I don't know what they do that is so bad, it's what they don't do. I don't think they are evil or something, but if you have such an influence on a game and it's community, wouldn't it be best to act accordingly?

From my point of view, they act a bit selfishly, as I read from their comments here and there.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#49 - 2014-03-07 10:52:37 UTC
Inari Visas wrote:
I don't know what they do that is so bad, it's what they don't do. I don't think they are evil or something, but if you have such an influence on a game and it's community, wouldn't it be best to act accordingly?


They have a history of forcing CCP's hand when things need fixing, even if fixing them is bad for Goons. But why should a single group of players have any more responsibility to do anything of the sort? They're paying customers, just like you and I.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Inari Visas
Federal Navy Academy
#50 - 2014-03-07 10:59:08 UTC
They shouldn't have more responsibility, they should have just as much. And they should act as such. Which, in my opinion, many eve players are doing just the opposite of. You should take responsibility for what ever you do, and not say things like "it's not my problem if I'm bigger than you".
Cavalira
Habemus
#51 - 2014-03-07 11:06:26 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Inari Visas wrote:
I don't know what they do that is so bad, it's what they don't do. I don't think they are evil or something, but if you have such an influence on a game and it's community, wouldn't it be best to act accordingly?


They have a history of forcing CCP's hand when things need fixing, even if fixing them is bad for Goons. But why should a single group of players have any more responsibility to do anything of the sort? They're paying customers, just like you and I.


I didn't see a slowcat nerf.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#52 - 2014-03-07 11:12:47 UTC
Tyrton wrote:
Andski wrote:
Basically if he were to run he'd inevitably be elected and there's not a damn thing you'd be able to do about it beyond post more tears on the forums. Whether CCP would clear him to run is another question, but he wouldn't run without clearing it with CCP beforehand, so if he ever did post that he was running, you'd be unable to effect anything there (or anything at all)



This post sums up how the goon attitude is towards the rest of eve and has me concerned, If this standpoint is nurtured and propagated then this game's future is in trouble.




Yeah, God forbid anyone be allowed to win too much. Especially if no one has the balls and the means to try and do anything about it.

They should be ashamed of themselves for having friends. Boo. Hiss.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Inari Visas
Federal Navy Academy
#53 - 2014-03-07 11:19:07 UTC
Just post a "Come at me bro" meme and be done with it then.
Spurty
#54 - 2014-03-07 11:19:26 UTC
This thread is a master class in goon smuggery

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#55 - 2014-03-07 11:25:14 UTC
Inari Visas wrote:
Just post a "Come at me bro" meme and be done with it then.


You know what I'm hearing from you?

Unwillingness do something about a thing you complain about. I'm not a Goon, nor do I expect I shall ever be, but I cannot ignore the combination of hypocrisy and cowardice in all you "Grr Goons" people.

You're anklebiters, plain and simple.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#56 - 2014-03-07 11:27:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
admiral root wrote:
They have a history of forcing CCP's hand when things need fixing, even if fixing them is bad for Goons. But why should a single group of players have any more responsibility to do anything of the sort? They're paying customers, just like you and I.


We don't "force CCP's hand," although I understand why it could be seen that way. POS bowling was declared and exploit and later nerfed when we started doing it. AoE doomsdays were changed in Dominion after we (along with PL, RAWR and others) demonstrated killing a carrier with AoE doomsdays, which showed that taken to its logical conclusion, a handful of titans could one-shot an arbitrarily large capital fleet with impunity. We abused drone assist by fielding Dominixes exclusively (along with everyone else in nullsec because, frankly, that was the optimal doctrine.) Tech was abused through excesses like Burn Jita, Hulkageddon, OTEC and other stuff like paying goons to make dumb propaganda posters - basically spending huge amounts of ISK on silly crap while continuing to have full peacetime and strategic ship reimbursement and maintaining multiple regions worth of sov.

Backchannels to CCP are a myth and have been for years. We have a CSM presence, but we have it because CSM 5 were awful and full of empire players voicing their opinions on 0.0 mechanics that they had absolutely no experience with, while CCP gave them their ear.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#57 - 2014-03-07 11:33:39 UTC  |  Edited by: admiral root
Andski wrote:
We don't "force CCP's hand," although I understand why it could be seen that way.


Fair enough. I guess my point is that, as a group, you've definitely been involved in making some positive changes happen, but the weirdo haters just ignore that because grrrr, Goons. As for doing stuff that works, even if it's stupidly overpowered, that's just common sense. If people restrict themselves because something is bad then they're just asking to be beaten.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Victor Andall
#58 - 2014-03-07 11:34:33 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
His own decision not to.


So...uhh...why do we have this thread, then?

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.
Rhanna Khurin
Doomheim
#59 - 2014-03-07 11:37:56 UTC
Over my frozen corpse!
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#60 - 2014-03-07 11:39:46 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
I'll keep Mittani in President if I get a free phone.

Absolutely NOT !!!

I want a free toaster...