EVE General Discussion

You're oversimplifying, a common mistake people make when attempting to analyze complex systems.

For example, you can't teleport minerals at zero cost. So more minerals mined and consumed in null could cause less demand for minerals (and/or equipment) in Jita.

This COULD result in lower prices in highsec, but... less demand + less profit with the 'safe old mining equipment' could also result in less people mining in highsec so also LESS supply in highsec.

So less demand + less supply = who knows what would happen to highsec prices?


OP was suggesting mining become less time consuming and more interesting, I suggested faster but riskier mining equipment...

An interesting discussion on GD, nice!

Let's leave mineral prices out for a moment, because some people would like them higher, others would like them lower. What is best is a matter of personal point of view. So let's talk minerals.

Supply = yield X miners X avg time spent mining

Also, supply = demand (assuming stock levels adjust after a while).

With double yield, demand would stay roughly the same or, probably, increase a bit because of easier overall availability of minerals. Say +10%. Which isn't bad for EVE, is it? People having more ships and POSs to have fun with - preferably blowing them up.


So if demand doesnt change much, higher yield means less miners and/or less average time spent mining.

So if you mine because you like it, nothing changes. Ok, also add a mini-game if you want, have fun!

OTOH, if you mine because you 'need to' for whatever reason but find it boring, you mine less (in highsec, you also need to be more 'on the ball' to achieve this).

Win for all?


Finally, why do you think being shot while mining in highsec always needs to be a 'gank'? Don't you think at least some highsec miners would enjoy the challenge of finding ways to evade danger in exchange of higher yield? Enjoy higher yields when they 'win', accept having their ship blown up when they 'lose'? Why do you assume this wouldn't be fun?

except your argument falls down at supply = demand. that simply isn't true.

no, it isn't.

if i start mining more, that doesn't make people want to buy more minerals.
if i start mining less, that doesn't make people want to buy less minerals.

supply does NOT equal demand.

resorting to personal attacks doesn't make you right.

the volume of minerals mined, and the volume of minerals required to meet production requirements do not influence each other.

ships don't magically require less minerals because people are mining less.
ships don't magically require more minerals because people are mining more.

I'm not sure how many different ways i need to phrase it until you understand.

except that simply isn't true, as i've pointed out, because supply does not equal demand and vice versa.

If I'm trying to fill up 10 production lines, I need X minerals, and i don't care how much the miners are mining, i'm still going to need X minerals. my X minerals isn't influenced by how much miners are, or are not mining.

If people started mining less, i still need X minerals, not Y minerals where Y < X. supply =/= demand.

The same happens if miners start mining more. I'm still going to need X minerals, not Z minerals where Z > X. because once again, supply =/= demand.

Mining does need to change. When I started playing, I mined. Many do. But I wouldn't dream of mining now. It's boring, unprofitable and risky. Not the kind of risky I like either.

Why would anyone create a task that is so mind numbingly boring that only the insane would do it at their keyboard, and then condemn and punish those who do it the only way it can be sanely done by making them easy targets for suicide ganking? The whole system is broken from the ground up.

I would like to want to mine. What ever happened to ring mining?

Dave has been right in his posts against his argument.

Infact we have seen been in a situation you are trying to point out. Currently trit is around 4 isk. There was a time it was around 2 isk. People don't have fewer isk because trit is twice as expensive as it used to be. Most don't even care how much trit, or the ship costs. They have their ways to make isk to PVP and that's that.

Speaking of ships I believe you made a comment about eve players not having a never ending stockpile of minerals. Look at the after effects of battleship changes on that point.

Mining is relaxing, and if you in a belt being heavily mined you can watch what is going on around you.

The only thing mining needs are proper effects and scaling them. I find it very lame that Hulk lasers are much of a hissing penpoint lasers than any other ship(/module).

It really should scale toward more impressive effects as you get better mining equipment. The current hissing laser would be good for, say mining bargers, but exhumers should really have a bit of oomf in them.