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Cyno Brainstorm 2
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General Guardian
Perkone
Caldari State
#41 - 2014-03-09 08:38:05 UTC
Anhenka wrote:
General Guardian wrote:
Why don't you give us one of your long and drawn out analytical explanations as to why it's a bad idea.

It's "Features and Ideas Discussion" not "Features and ideas opinions"


Why bother when there is a 67 page massive threadnaught where people have hundreds of different reasons and explanations about why it is a bad idea, then magnify it all by preventing the use of JF's to travel between them by cynojamming everything?

I'm certainly not going to have anything to contribute that has not already been said in the previous 1300 posts.

But the TLDR: This is a game, and dividing highsec into smaller sections with significant travel inhibitors by forcing manual hauling through lowsec is anti-fun.

You can argue all sort of "Emergent markets" and "Revitalizing lowsec" lines, but in the end everyone who currently stays out of lowsec will still stay out of lowsec, and just stick to their little chosen quarter of EVE.


Ah, It all makes sense now. You, like many other pilots, seek balance and order. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but as a pilot who prefers chaos and pvp (to a fair extent) I see nothing wrong with people having to fight their way across dangerous territory to make their billions off market trading.

In fact, these areas being cyno jammed would make scouts much more valuable, what you see is what is there, you don't have to worry about what "may" be waiting for a cyno 5 ly away.
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#42 - 2014-03-09 08:59:06 UTC
General Guardian wrote:

Ah, It all makes sense now. You, like many other pilots, seek balance and order. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but as a pilot who prefers chaos and pvp (to a fair extent) I see nothing wrong with people having to fight their way across dangerous territory to make their billions off market trading.


Fighting your way is all and well, I'm primarily a PvP pilot myself, but let's face it. The people who haul stuff, who run missions, and who make stuff are already so incredibly risk adverse that given the choice between never traveling from one empire segment to another / only using high->high WH's, or running freighters through 2-3 lowsecs potentially infested by scary scary pirates, 99.9% of them will continue to huddle in their pocket of highsec and never step foot in lowsec ever, just like before. Just in a smaller area now.

The JF's will just go around the outside edge of the highsec zone, ignoring the new cynojammed lowsec border systems, unless you are proposing cynojamming all lowsec systems that could possibly be used to jump from a highsec to a lowsec bordering another empire. Cyno routes don't have to cut through the cracks of the now fractured highsec circle after all, they can go around the outside edges.

Trying to jam all of those as well would require jamming of several hundred additional current lowsec system bordering Empire B within max jump range of Empire A highsec and the same in return, for each pair of Empires.

And can you imagine the rage of all the nullsec alliances when the majority of border lowsecs are jammed, making empire -> null logistics a massive pain in the ass? Or the rage of pirates and FW now that they can't drop caps/titan bridge/hotdrop onto people in most of the inhabited systems?

Seems a massive amount of forced hassle for high and low and nullseccers, in a mostly vain attempt to drive freight traffic though lowsec, while also requiring a large amount of creative bullshit to explain the scattershot cynojamming of border lowsecs.

There, you got the critical analysis wall o' text explanation. Happy now?
General Guardian
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-03-09 09:29:01 UTC
Yes, that wasn't so hard now was it?

See now we're getting somewhere, cyno jamming any low sec system within 2 or 3 jumps of Empire would do the trick. Null sec alliances will just have to run escorts a few jumps with their freighters/jump freighters/orcas. They have the resources and pilots so why not. Low sec corps would then have a far greater role in large sov battles just by their ability to shut down or slow down null sec logistics in bordering systems.

Can I imagine the rage? Yeah, and so what. People raged at many things that have changed, but they adapted and moved on.
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