Wormholes

We arent talking wardecs here just general day to day, simple yes or no is wh space riskier than hisec



Please explain how I can roll a c1 or c3 with static hisec or lowsec, for limitless wh isk

yes i do agree if you can't manage stuff in your static then the wh isn't right for you.

As i said it's all relative. Wormholes are inherently riskier on paper but that doesn't mean that you are immune to all dangers in high sec. Suicide ganking and war decs are a reality of high sec in the same way that there is a chance that someone could be sat in your wormhole cloaked, waiting for you to do sites.

If you have a HS or low sec static, you can go exploring to find new wormholes that have sites to run, do exploration sites or various other k-space activities.

If you got more than 2 brain cells the risk is really minimal compared to the income. And even if you get jumped you are in a very advantageous position.

As it is now C5+ and the lower class WHs are two separate realms that seldom can interact with each other in a meaningful manner.

Edit for those that don’t know what cap escallations farming is:
In C5 and C6 WHs the sites spawn additional sleeper BS waves for the first 2 carriers and 2 dreadnaughts. These additional waves are worth a lot more than the actual site spawns. As long as you only farm these waves and don’t touch certain triggers in the first non-escalation wave the site will not despawn for the next 4 days. After downtime the farming of capital escalations can be repeated till the site despawns after 4 days.

The difference is that the L4 guy/corp was targeted while the guy/corp shooting Sleepers was just a random opportune kill. You are more likely to be hunted when wardec'd than just by stepping into W-space, yet in W-space anyone can shoot you. It's not necessarily a fair comparison.

In some ways, W-space can be safer: scouts on all existing holes (or close them) and the holes leading to safety, a scout watching for new sigs via the free intel probe window and immediately scanning them, and everyone else watching dscan.

In some ways W-space is much more dangerous: you don't get an immediate payout; the loot you collect has to be sold to make ISK flow, and that can be lost or destroyed (think back to the 15 bil TL Orca that was carrying Expo loot that popped). You are also more likely to lose your pod in W-space than in hisec, even if you are paying attention, adding to the costs and annoyance. If a prepared hunt squad rolls into you, they could be on top of your PvE group before you get the K162 scanned down.

At the risk of polluting this thread with items that should be in a different one...

Anomaly profit in W-space should definitely be rebalanced with a gradual, non-steep increase from C1 to C6 due to the increase in Sleeper difficulty. C5 and C6 would then have the extra payouts from escalations. There's nothing wrong with farming sites in your "home system", which is meaningless to the game; the respawn mechanics keep the numbers of sites low, so you will be forced into your static if you want to make money.

The major imbalance in W-space income is the abuse of downtime respawn mechanics for escalations: if a site is escalated once, it should not reset to be escalated again, and again, and again. A site should be run, possibly escalated, completed, and then despawn. This is also abused in hisec when you farm battleship-rich mission sites for 7 days. You shoot an NPC, it should not respawn.

But that's not the only PvE-related rebalance that should happen.

Due to lack of ISK sinks in the game, and difficulty in coming up with new ones and nerfing existing faucets, CCP should change all NPC bounty payouts into items that drop which must be looted, transported, and sold. It would revitalize ninja salvaging/looting while increasing the risk for both parties for Hisec and make Nullsec ratting "interesting". Most payouts wouldn't change, but there would be a reduction in the ISK faucet as some loot would inevitably be lost.

Gas sites need to be rebalanced. It makes no sense to work through the extra dangers of Core sites for C540 gas to be worth marginally more than gas you can get in Perimeter sites guarded by a couple of frigates. They would have to do this by ....

Blueprint materials lists need to be refactored, especially with the T3 nerf rebalance coming up. All Sleeper salvage should have approximately the same demand from recipes. Fullerene/gas ingredients should have similar demands to other ingredients in their caste (Perimeter, Frontier, Core). Some of the new items they are introducing should also require Sleeper/Fullerene components.

By and large, W-space has been amazingly successful, and some concepts developed for it should be taken back to k-space and implemented there. Even Black Holes aren't SO bad; lower is definitely better here though. I wonder if their intent was to create a high-speed brawling environment; if so, increase tracking and explosion velocity to compensate for the speed increases. PvE is more restricting, requiring higher skills and different tactics than in other effects. That is good.

Or maybe battleship escalations in C1-C3? That sounds like more fun!
But that'd make C4s the black sheep again...until we get our dual static :D

If people are paying attention, they can see the new sig spawn and make a decision at that time to wait or flee. We come across many bears who flee at the sight of a new sig spawning in their system: piloted ships at the POS with wrecks in a partially-completed site that are still being tractored by the mobile tractor unit.

The hunt fleet needs to be especially efficient to maximize their window of opportunity. Scan the new sig down but don't warp. Drop a bookmark for squad commander to pick up for squad/wing warps to avoid waiting for corp bookmarks. Covops scout warps to hole alone, jumps in instantly while the rest of the fleet lands. By the time the fleet lands, the scout should know if the system is being plexed and can call for the fleet to jump or not while he warps to the target site.

Meanwhile, the K162 sig has spawned in the target system, and the plexing fleet is trying to warp out; warp is initiated before the hunt fleet lands on their side of the hole. Large ships may not warp out by the time the hunt scout hero tackles one; Sleepers may also have one tackled.

It's a very high level of alertness which is fatiguing over extended periods of time without being rewarded with kills, and it's still difficult to catch alert bears. You also need a skilled scout. The instant visual alert for the K162 spawn makes it too easy for the hunted to avoid destruction and requires minimal effort. It's nice for the bear though, I guess.

Seeding a logoffski fleet is more reliable but requires significantly more preparation. But there, as it should be, the better prepared should have the better reward.

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Smaller entites do not have the force to repel larger groups.

So my guess is that smaller Wormhole corporations are less vocal because they don't want to **** off larger groups when they have conflicting issues.

Have a jump around some of the smaller corps in W-space, you will find they have no notion of security, some barely know that a small pos is a terrible idea and many do not scan / lock down their WH's before site running.

They need time to figure out how to live in the environment without having the corp locked out of the WH or ransomed for isk they they have not yet seen.

E.g.
Group of T3's & Logi jump into a WH, spot a Drake/epithal/hulk and blap it.
Small group with little SP go, "great, I have no chance & I am not going to act as lube for these epeen strokers" -> Logoff/pos up.

Every group I know in deep wh space would never want to bash a c2 system....EVER. If they cant shoot towers with caps, they generally won't do it, and even then it takes a lot for anyone to want to shoot structures. I spent years in c2 while posting on these forums and not once did some big group come in and try to remove us.

If I understand your above post, you are advocating in favor of the lower class wormhole entities, and this is an "anti-bullying" argument against the Larger and more experienced wormhole entities. Although I grasp your effort here, I don't believe that guilting players to be nicer to people simply because they are ignorant of the mechanics or community is a reasonable action.